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Tipo 33 Stradale Blueprints needed
Dear gentlemen,
I'm Alfa Romeo enthusiast from Russia.
I have some Alfa 75 2.0 TS, 1.8 Turbo, 3.0 V6, Alfetta and Alfasud Sprint in my collection. But my dream goes on, and I plan to make a replica of the famous Tipo 33 Stradale. I have a lot of photos taken from internet, some magazines, but I still need technical drawings to reconstruct a chassis and body. I'll be very thankful for the all information you could provide.
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Ruslan Lantsov
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03-02-2004, 07:06 AM
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Hi Zen,
follow this link:
http://www.blueprint69.com/
Although the prints are not cheap, I think this is what you are looking for.
Further I think there were some Tipo 33 blueprints published in an issue of "Style Auto", but I remember that these showed a Spider.
Another source for Tipo 33 drawings is the book "60 vetture ai raggi X". There are drawings of a Tipo 33 Prototipo Sport, engine and body.
Buying the blueprints will be cheaper anyway, because the other publications are out-of-print and not easy to find.
With best wishes
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03-02-2004, 07:41 AM
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Thank you Carlo, but these blueprints are not available at the moment.
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11-24-2004, 12:43 PM
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The Tipo 33 Stradale...most definitely a car to covet.
I see by most Alfa guides that there were 18 built (?). Is that production number correct? And, does anyone know if there are any in the US?
Not that I could come anywhere close to affording one  , but it would be great to see one at an Alfa gathering.
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11-24-2004, 01:49 PM
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I'm not sure if Keith Goring of Alfa's Unlimited still has a T33 stradale or not. They are located in western Ct..
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11-24-2004, 08:02 PM
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How much would it cost to build either a TZ-2 or a 33 Stradale Replica? and how much more is it to build it out of alumanim vs. fiberglass?
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11-25-2004, 10:09 AM
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Although I do not know this for an absolute fact, I have been told by a number of people that there is a shop in Cuneo, Italy that is making reproductions og TZs, SZs, T33 stradales, and other cars. I was told the price for a stradale is around $300,000. A real stradale today would be at least $750,000.
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11-25-2004, 10:56 AM
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Don Eriminas in the USA produces (or has the ability to produce) replica TZs, but not TZ2s. A Stradale replica would be a great idea!
Here's my random thought:
If a company were able to produce a Tipo 33 Stradale looking body from Fibreglass, and then design a simple, but strong frame around which to wrap the body, I bet that it wouldn't be that hard to design it so that one could drop in the GTV6 or Milano mechanicals. A TZ2 could also be designed with a similar approach, using the mechanicals from a Spider. If that was done, current owners of rusty Spiders and GTV6s and Milanos would be able to build a kit-car (or have one built) which would keep the 'Alfa' stuff going for many more years.
I know that to some, this might be sacreligious, but I bet that a reasonable number of folks would want to do something like this.
Anyway...just a thought!
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11-26-2004, 06:24 AM
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Although I do not know this for an absolute fact, I have been told by a number of people that there is a shop in Cuneo, Italy that is making reproductions og TZs, SZs, T33 stradales, and other cars. I was told the price for a stradale is around $300,000. A real stradale today would be at least $750,000.
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I've heard from reliable source that Giordanengo was hosted for some time in an italian jail after an US customer identified as a replica a 33 Stradale which the buyer had understood to be a restored original. Such "misunderstandings" might not be unique...
Note that you could order your Stradale with electrical windows, for instance...  .
The same article strangely enough features 33 Daytona and 33 Periscopica painted bodies piled up one over another!!
He made use of some original mechanical parts bought from Autodelta's wrap over in 1984, and built new chassis and bodies to fit with mostly original engine and gearboxes.
So far, I remember a single Periscopica supposedly original. That's the one that was (or is it still there?) in the Rosso-Bianco museum in Aschaffenburg, Germany (Peter Kaus).
And no, TZ2 are not necessarily fibre-glass: #112 is entirely aluminium-bodied, and another (is it 106 ?- I quote by memory) has an aluminium bonnet.
The point with replicas is to ensure they remain indentified as such even after a certain time. For instance, many original 6C1750s were rebodied with Gran Sport bodies in the 70s; 30 years later, it becomes difficult to identify the best crafted ones and to decide whether the seller is honest when claiming originality. Truly independent or factory official register holding is a key factor in that.
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11-26-2004, 08:58 AM
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I have no problem with "replicas" as they are represented as such. There are quite a few replicas that have been tried to be passed off as real cars in the last few years. I would have no problem with having the people that try to do this being slowly lowered into a wood chipper..  |
11-26-2004, 07:13 PM
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gvt2000,
sorry I should stated all TZ2 are fiberglass except one.....
Thanks for the correction
Is this car # 106 fiberglass body with the alloy bonnet?
Here is a Tz2 replica for sale on ebay a while ago which looks fairly accurate except for the ronal wheels.
I saw another replica for sale on a trailer at the Italiano concorso in monterey couple of years ago. He was asking $60K for it...
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11-27-2004, 01:41 AM
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...So far, I remember a single Periscopica supposedly original. That's the one that was (or is it still there?) in the Rosso-Bianco museum in Aschaffenburg, Germany (Peter Kaus)...
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11-27-2004, 02:03 AM
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This is the Alfa Museum's 33 Stradale. The car is normally on display at the Museo Storico in Arese, but has been in at least two exhibitions in London (Design Museum, early '90s and at the Science Museum in 2002) and appeared at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in 2002.
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11-27-2004, 06:00 AM
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gvt2000,
sorry I should stated all TZ2 are fiberglass except one.....
Thanks for the correction
Is this car # 106 fiberglass body with the alloy bonnet?
Here is a Tz2 replica for sale on ebay a while ago which looks fairly accurate except for the ronal wheels.
I saw another replica for sale on a trailer at the Italiano concorso in monterey couple of years ago. He was asking $60K for it...
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It seems to me that your first picture features #106, which is described, as you understood well, as having an alloy bonnet. Never checked myself.
I've seen myself the replica for sale you show on the other pictures. It cannot be confused with an original one once you see ity in the flesh. Body finish is not top and doesnt match the real thing for many features, including wrongly shaped/fake air vents and so on. There's a second one around by the same seller/associates.
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11-27-2004, 06:11 AM
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Plastic Pig,
Scuderia del Portello is indeed a factory-backed racing team, but most of the cars they enter in classic racing are indeed privately owned. I've never seen in the flesh the periscopica you feature, but I wouldn't bet its body is original. The shape doesn't match the period pictures. I don't know about its chassis number. You're right that it's a late appearance on the classic scene...
The museum Stradale is unquestionable. And I saw it at the London Science museum exhibition as well.
Well, actually it has a first type front bonnet (1967), and a later rear bonnet, with air outlets which were not on the first prototype.
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