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Old 09-20-2005, 03:53 PM
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SZ in Japan

I do not know how many of you have an interest in SZs, however this SZ in Japan (see link below) is a bit of a mystery. A few details in the photos appear to be off and I was wondering if any of you could shed any light on the subject. Thanks, George

http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r15739457
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Old 09-20-2005, 05:00 PM
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There are almost as many fake SZs and TZs as real cars. I don't personally know the car pictured, but it looks like a fake to me...
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Old 09-20-2005, 05:07 PM
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Thanks Stu, I have a small list of fake SZ Alfas that have come to market in the last few years. Sad state of affairs but it seems that in recent times more than half a dozen fakes have come to auction or other public market and perhaps only one or two real cars. One should do a very careful check before buying a wide number of special cars including the one advertised. I agree with your conclusion. - George
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Old 09-20-2005, 07:57 PM
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The problem is that some fakes are so good that it has become almost impossible to tell without hours of physical inspection. There are just too many things that look wrong to me about this particular car.
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Old 09-21-2005, 09:20 AM
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The problem is that some fakes are so good that it has become almost impossible to tell without hours of physical inspection. There are just too many things that look wrong to me about this particular car.

I am surprised that it is being sold in a regional venue. From the photos (which are very limited) a lot of the car looks pretty good to me. The grills are not right and the body cutouts or recesses for the headlights have a sharper edge than they should. Those could be the result of a poor repair from a collision. The gap between the bottom of the rear window and top of trunk is too wide and the radius of the trunk corners at the top are too tight. This seems like a greater concern and would not be the result of poor restoration. It has to be a fake. I'd like to know what chassis number it is being represented as. - George
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:56 PM
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lost in translation

Here is an line translation that I could p/u. It is being sold on Yahoo Japan (I guess that's why Yahoo is worth more than FIAT. Being sold by Graz Co? I agree with the "newly constructed" assessment. Also note not offered for international shipment,

Present price: 14,000,000 Yen remaining hour: 5 day (detailed
remaining time) highest amount bidder: It is not desired successful
bid price: 15,800,000 Yen quantity: 1 bid number of cases: 0 (bid past
record) start price: 14,000,000 Yen bid unit: 1,000 Yen exhibition
area: The start day and time which is not open: September 20th 16:25
end days and times: September 27th 22:25 auctions ID: R15739457 note:
There are times when early it ends. Overseas it does not dispatch.
(Seller will not ship internationally. 15,800,000 Yen are set to
desired successful bid price to) this auction. Bidder appraisal and
restriction: It is and (times when it cannot accept bid depending upon
your appraisal, there are)

Exhibition person (appraisal): Graz_co_ltd (2)

Payment methods bank transfer Japan net bank liquidation

The dispatch methodological successful bidder dispatching the
postage at the time of burden payment end

The escrow service exhibition person asks a question to the
appraisal exhibition person of the other auction exhibition people of
the exhibition person who does not select the utilization of escrow
Service

Manufacturer name: Alpha Romeo car species name: 10126 grade names: SZ
year system: Western calendar 1962 travel distance: Unclear vehicle
inspection expiration date: It is not


Body type: 2 door coupe colors: Red restoration history: There
is restoration history, the routine inspection records: There are no
records to deliver, condition: Present condition delivery owner past
record: Plural owner missions: 5 fast manual handles: The left handle


Cooler air conditioner?

CD?

Stereo (cassette)?

Power steering?


Power window?

Sun roof?

Aluminum wheel?

Television?


Air bag?

ABS?

Navigation?

This leather seat?


4WD?

MD?

Triplex row seats?

Full aero?


ローダウン?

Welfare vehicle?

Diesel?

Dealer car?


Comment: 1957-1962 it is the rare car where only the only 200 units
are produced to years. (As for the inside 30 units coda tron mosquito
body) the body where the entire aluminum of Zagato make is beautiful,
is in a kind of state where now it comes out of the factory. Also
interior full restore being completed the seal for E/G OH being
completed glass protection there is a っ て. It is the domestic
register being completed, but it becomes the erasion attested copy
transfer. As for details GRAZ up to 03-3415-1178
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:12 PM
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ps - if my math is correct 15,800,000 yen = $141,678.60
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Old 09-21-2005, 08:46 PM
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rogerspeed,

Thank you for the excellent translation !! Those on-line translators are sometimes useless... I laughed really, really hard reading the translation (I'm originally from Japan). If anybody is in need of translation of anything in Japanese to English (or the other way), just let me know and I will take care of that for you (being a graduate student, I have more free time than I thought)!
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Old 10-28-2005, 05:06 PM
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It appears that the ad has been reposted with the prices adjusted to starting price at 13,800,000 and desired price at 14,800,000 (or $128,000 US). I still think it is a fake, too much looks wrong. - George
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