More on the Z - Rubber/ seal between grille and body

[mbaum]

Gents,

Now I am looking for the rubber/ seal that goes between the stainless front grill and the body. Actually, two questions:

• I am still unclear if the Junior Z originally had a seal there: Period advertising photos seem to indicate there was none
• Most restored cars do have one there - A fellow owner installed a self-adhesive seal, borrowed from Toyota. What do you use?

And yes, I am doing some minor beautification work on the car and discover that I still know next to nothing on it :-)

Best,

Mike

[Zagato_Olaf]

Hi Mike,

I used a small universal u-shaped rubber during the restoration of my Z. It can be obtained from a shop is that is specialised in rubber seals and fixtures for classic cars.

Ciao, Olaf

[Zaagmans]

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Originally Posted by mbaum [*]I am still unclear if the Junior Z originally had a seal there: Period advertising photos seem to indicate there was none

[mbaum]

Thanks for that. Olaf, your pic prompts another question: What is the hardware you are using to screw on the grille that goes on the bottom of grill/ front?

I think originally, the screws were very similar than the ones on your car, with a flat, big round nut-like mechanism. My car has some plain screws only and I would like to get hardware that more resembles what you have.

Thanks, experts.

Mike

[JPF]

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Originally Posted by Zaagmans Correct, originally there was none but nowadays most people use the small profile that can be obtained from specialists that deal in that kind of stuff. I obtained it at a car show where I happened to come across it.

[Nicola]

In response to Mike's questions about the screws, as well as the spacer material I'm attaching some pictures that show both the thumb nuts as well as the material that the previous owner of my Jr. Z placed between the stainless and the body. Mike, I know that my screws are too long (at least, that's what 'she' said!!)
Jason - I also have horizontal and vertical molding installed on the "grille" pieces behind the perspex though some molding is missing.
Hope this helps.

[mbaum]

Good point, Jason and thanks for the pics. They show the opposite alternative: Olaf fixed the seal to the grille, then onto the car, your pics show a different seal fixed onto the car.

I seem to recall though that there was some complaining in period on the Junior Z front assembly as always being foggy.

Thanks all for this. Really appreciated.

Mike

[mbaum]

Gordy, thanks. Posted the same time than you.

THese are the same nuts (Big and round head) that were used on the Lancia front grilles (To access the battery tray). See, I did not even know that the screw goes in from the "inside" down: Mine are simple screws that are screwed in from the "outside" up ... Things to fix now.

[JPF]

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Originally Posted by mbaum THese are the same nuts (Big and round head) that were used on the Lancia front grilles (To access the battery tray).

[Nicola]

I'd like to find a source for the screws onto which the nuts are placed. As I earlier indicated, my screws are too long, which in some circles in not a defect, but in this case, I would like some that are "just right".
(wink, and grin!!)

[Zaagmans]

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Originally Posted by JPF Hi Mike (et al)- Do you have a source for those nuts? I've looked here and there over the past few years but haven't found any that are the same as the remaining one I have (which appears to be brass or bronze, the benefit of which is corrosion resistance; I guess stainless would be a good alternative). Butterfly nuts work just as well, but don't look quite right. I'd love to replace the missing ones and maybe have a spare in hand... Thanks- jason

[Zagato_Olaf]

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Originally Posted by mbaum Thanks for that. Olaf, your pic prompts another question: What is the hardware you are using to screw on the grille that goes on the bottom of grill/ front? I think originally, the screws were very similar than the ones on your car, with a flat, big round nut-like mechanism. My car has some plain screws only and I would like to get hardware that more resembles what you have. Thanks, experts. Mike

[JPF]

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Originally Posted by Zaagmans I believe they are Zagato-specific... zinced steel. Bought the last remaining handfull NOS from Galbiati years ago and gave most away to JZ owners in dire need for these. Have 2 left for my blue JZ...

[don515jz]

The nuts for the stainless might be Zagato specific, but there is hope.
you can buy a similar nut in Stainless steel, galvanised or yellow cupper
The DIN number is 466 and than you get a nut that looks like this
Kartelmoer M4 RVS.pdf
I can order them down the street at our local Fabory shop.
Stainless will cost me 2,75 Euro each, excl VAT with a minimum of 25.
Galvanized ones 0,63 Euro each, excl VAT with a minimum of 50.
This is for M4 nuts. Delivery time app. 3 days.
I'm thinking of ordering a box of galvanized ones, but than I'm stuck with 46 nuts which I'll never use again.

Don

[Zaagmans]

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Originally Posted by don515jz The nuts for the stainless might be Zagato specific, but there is hope. you can buy a similar nut in Stainless steel, galvanised or yellow cupper The DIN number is 466 and than you get a nut that looks like this Attachment 153894 I can order them down the street at our local Fabory shop. Stainless will cost me 2,75 Euro each, excl VAT with a minimum of 25. Galvanized ones 0,63 Euro each, excl VAT with a minimum of 50. This is for M4 nuts. Delivery time app. 3 days. I'm thinking of ordering a box of galvanized ones, but than I'm stuck with 46 nuts which I'll never use again. Don