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Old 06-19-2008, 06:38 AM
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8c Racing In 1938

Hello ,

Here You Have Some Pictures Of The Alfa Romeo 8c That With Farina In 1938 Was Thw Winner Over All In The Pontedecimo-giovi .
License Plate Of That Car In That Races Was Mi 631 , Ralph Lauren's 8c Have The License Plate Number Mi 634 ( If I'm Not Wrong ) .
Someone Know If The Farina's 8c Of The Picture Is Still Alive And Where Is The Car Now ? May Be This Info Are In Simone Moore Book About 8c But Unfortunatelly I Don't Have This Book .


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Old 06-19-2008, 05:40 PM
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There were 4 8c2900B built with this Touring MM coachwork. Two cars exist today. One is owned by Ralph Lauren and the other by Fred Simone.
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Old 06-19-2008, 05:48 PM
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There were 4 8c2900B built with this Touring MM coachwork. Two cars exist today. One is owned by Ralph Lauren and the other by Fred Simone.
i'd heard that a 3rd is in the French national (former Schlumph) museum, with later Swiss coachwork?
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i'd heard that a 3rd is in the French national (former Schlumph) museum, with later Swiss coachwork?

There is an 8c2900A, and 8c2900B, and a Tipo 412 (8c2900A with 12c37 motor) in Schlumpf, but none ever had the Touring MM coachwork
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According to Simon Moore "631 MI" had chassis # 412032. It was originally a Touring Mille Miglia Spider, as were 412030, 412031, 412033 and 412034.

It supposedly is one of the cars that ran the 1938 Mille Miglia. 412032 was originally fitted w/ engine # 422019. It was crashed severely by Studer in Switzerland and fitted w/ a body w/ cycle wings and an Alfetta-like front (by Martin) and was fitted w/ engine # 422039 that was modified w/ 2-stage supercharging. The car was most recently in the Schlumpf collection - I saw it there more than 20 years ago- I assume it is there to this day.
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Tks A Lot For Your Reply , And All Your Info's About The 8c # 412032, Do You Have A Pict Of The Car In Actual Condiction In Schlumpf Collection ?
Or There Are Any Pict Of The New Body Of The Car Replaced After The Crash In The Simon Moore Book ?
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:36 AM
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Tks A Lot For Your Reply , And All Your Info's About The 8c # 412032, Do You Have A Pict Of The Car In Actual Condiction In Schlumpf Collection ?
Or There Are Any Pict Of The New Body Of The Car Replaced After The Crash In The Simon Moore Book ?
This is what I could dredge up this morning, from Denis Jenkinson's book on the Schlumpf collection:
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:53 AM
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This confirm what Alleggerita told on his post .........

I'll try to verify is the Car is still there .
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Do You Have A Pict Of The Car In Actual Condiction In Schlumpf Collection ?
Here you find more pics of the Alfas in the Schlumpf museum
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/limi...tml#post362661

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Hello Nicolo',

I bought your book this summer and I wanted to congratulate you for the result: nice book, nice choice of pictures, nice effort for comprehensiveness in computing the results and entries.

I have only one criticism: albeit printing quality is very good, the printer just had the pictures too dark, preventing from closely observing some cars.

That's why I chose this thread for intervening: in the 1937 and 1938 chapters, there are things to be learned about the Alfas entered, and unfortunately it is impossible to distinguish some details.

Having not the book at hand for precise reference to the pages and pictures, I'll come back tomorrow with some observations, questions and, I'm afraid, a few corrections on the Alfas' identification. For sure an 8C2300 is captioned as a 2.9, a "2900" is actually a 6C2300, but the most interesting for me is that I seem to identify a couple of actual 8C2900s.

In the meanwhile, I'm sure that Simon Moore would be delighted if you had any picture of Farina's and/or Villoresi's 1938 8C2900s which would allow to clearly see the driver's side low end "rockers" and count the number of slots into them.

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Hello Nicolo',

I bought your book this summer and I wanted to congratulate you for the result: nice book, nice choice of pictures, nice effort for comprehensiveness in computing the results and entries.

I have only one criticism: albeit printing quality is very good, the printer just had the pictures too dark, preventing from closely observing some cars.

That's why I chose this thread for intervening: in the 1937 and 1938 chapters, there are things to be learned about the Alfas entered, and unfortunately it is impossible to distinguish some details.

Having not the book at hand for precise reference to the pages and pictures, I'll come back tomorrow with some observations, questions and, I'm afraid, a few corrections on the Alfas' identification. For sure an 8C2300 is captioned as a 2.9, a "2900" is actually a 6C2300, but the most interesting for me is that I seem to identify a couple of actual 8C2900s.

In the meanwhile, I'm sure that Simon Moore would be delighted if you had any picture of Farina's and/or Villoresi's 1938 8C2900s which would allow to clearly see the driver's side low end "rockers" and count the number of slots into them.
I think part of the confusion is that quite a few of the 6c2500/T256s and some of the 6c2300BMMs have body work similar to the 8c2900BMM cars, but the bodywork on the 6c2300BMMs and the T256s is more "square".

Below is a photo of a car listed as a 6c2300B MM from the Pontedecimo-Giovi hillclimb in 1938
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Dear "Ritmo100S", are you suggesting that I cannot tell a 6C2300 from an 8C2900?

Be careful, I might be tempted to add "who are you, who try to teach me?"

The pic you post is not among those I want to check closer, and I noticed it, BTW, as an interesting example of an early body directly leading to the T256 styling .
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Dear "Ritmo100S", are you suggesting that I cannot tell a 6C2300 from an 8C2900?

Be careful, I might be tempted to add "who are you, who try to teach me?"

The pic you post is not among those I want to check closer, and I noticed it, BTW, as an interesting example of an early body directly leading to the T256 styling .
The picture I posted was not meant to insult anyone. It was posted for the "general public" and not for people who are totally familiar with the cars, as you are

Here is a photo of the Touring bodied Alfa 6c2300B MM that Cortese drove in the 1938 Pontedecimo-Giovi hillclimb, entered by Scuderia Ambrosiana. The coachwork is again somewhat similar, except for the grille.

Also attached is a photo of a 6c2300 "A" solid rear axle car with coachwork by Zagato from the same hillclimb, driven by Balestrero. It doesn't appear to have the Scuderia Ambrosiana badge on it any longer that it ran with, driven by Cortese, at earlier dates.

The new Pontedecimo-Giovi book is fantastic!
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