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Old 11-19-2007, 06:40 PM
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6c2500 photos on e-bay

from the Carrera Panamericana.

from 1950: Item #230193979101

from 1951: Item #230193979089

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I think it's worthwhile to add the pictures here before they expire and are lost on eBay. The first picture is from auction #230193979101 "CARRERA PANAMERICANA 1950 Alfa Romeo Bonetto PHOTO", the second picture is from auction #230193979089 "CARRERA PANAMERICANA 1951 Alfa Romeo Panini PHOTO".
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:55 AM
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The #90 car is Taruffi's Freccia d'Oro #916602
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The #90 car is Taruffi's Freccia d'Oro #916602


Ronny:

You are mistaken this time re: the 1950 Carrera Panamericana cars.

#90 is Bonetto/Bonini
#103 is Taruffi/Ceroli


The 1951 car with the big number 19 on the side is the car that went off a cliff with Panini and his daughter, who was driving at the time. If I remember correctly, both were killed.
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I think it's worthwhile to add the pictures here before they expire and are lost on eBay. The first picture is from auction #230193979101 "CARRERA PANAMERICANA 1950 Alfa Romeo Bonetto PHOTO", the second picture is from auction #230193979089 "CARRERA PANAMERICANA 1951 Alfa Romeo Panini PHOTO".

I believe that the person selling all the Carrera photos is the same person I met something like 6 years ago, when he sold Dave Scully a bunch of photos of American cars in the Carrera Panamericana. Dave has been working on a book on American cars and drivers in the Carrera for over 10 years. The person who had the photos also did a book, now very rare, in Spanish, on the Carrera. The book is mostly newspaper reports in Mexico from the period, and the reproduction quality is rather poor.

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You are mistaken this time re: the 1950 Carrera Panamericana cars.

#90 is Bonetto/Bonini
#103 is Taruffi/Ceroli
This might be important information for Luc Colemont, the author of the "Freccia d'Oro" book and maintainer of the Freccia registry.

He lists the #90 car as Taruffi's Freccia d'Oro #916602, and #103 as #916600 driven by Bonetto/Bonini. He states both cars were sold after the race to Bruno Pagliai in Mexico.

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Luc's book was my source.
I know he did research in periodical magazines, so I tend to believe him.

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Luc's book was my source.
I know he did research in periodical magazines, so I tend to believe him.

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My source is the Cimarosti Carrera Panamericana book. I'm not sure who has it right!
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The 1951 car with the big number 19 on the side is the car that went off a cliff with Panini and his daughter, who was driving at the time. If I remember correctly, both were killed.
The daughter survived :

Carlos Panini, a pioneer of Mexican aviation, died when his car crashed during the second stage from Oaxaca to Puebla, of the second Carrera Panamericana. Although the registered driver for the race was Carlos' daughter Teresa (Teresita) it seems that he was at the wheel of car, despite he did not have a valid license and he was in ill health. The accident happened while the young Bobby Unser was trying to overtake Panini who was travelling at a lower speed and blocked the American for a long stretch, after several attempts Unser forced the maneuver but the two cars touched. Unser was skilled enough to control his Jaguar, while Panini's Alfa Romeo went straight into a wall. Ricardo Ramirez of Mexico City abandoned the race to rush the Paninis to a hospital in Puebla, but the father was dead on arrival. Teresa Panini survived the accident with minor injuries.

Carlos Panini was of Italian origin, most probably from the province of Como in Lombardia region. He is credited with being the first pilot to fly a light plane around the world. In 1927 he had established Mexico's first scheduled airline, which he had recently sold with plans for retirement. Newspapers gave his age as 54, but one states his age as 48.

Although several sources, including website Automovilismo Deportivo, indicate his surname as Pannini, a message posted by his grandson Bruno in the genealogy website Appellidos Italianos clearly shows that the correct spelling is Panini.

Carlos Panini was the third of three drivers killed in the 1951 running of the Carrera Panamericana: José Estrada Menocal and co-driver Miguel González died the day before, on 20 November 1951.

Source: motorsportmemorial.com: The Leading Memorials Site on the Net
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Old 11-22-2007, 12:16 AM
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Martin Krejci also lists the #90 as Taruffi's car
World Sports Racing Prototypes - Non Championship Races 1950
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Classicscars gives #103 as Taruffi

Non Championship Races 1950
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Classicscars gives #103 as Taruffi

Non Championship Races 1950

Yes, I am aware that different sources give different drivers for #90 and #103 and I am not sure which is correct.

BBR makes models of both cars, but no driver's names are on either model.

Here is their model of #90, BBR product number is 11B:
Link to photo: http://cat.bbrmodels.it/./products/16951.jpg

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Yes, I am aware that different sources give different drivers for #90 and #103 and I am not sure which is correct.

BBR makes models of both cars, but no driver's names are on either model.

Here is their model of #90, BBR product number is 11B:
Link to photo: http://cat.bbrmodels.it/./products/16951.jpg
This photo shows Taruffi with no90.
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103 Bonetto

....and this shows Bonetto with his "103" Freccia. He won the longest and most difficult "etapa" of the 1950 Carrera-Panamericana.
The "clasificacion" shows Felice Bonetto as the 103 and Piero Taruffi as the 90 driver...

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