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Not the most beautiful 8c but an early one. it resides in the Schlumpf Museum (i think it is called different now).
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See the car in post 16. It is rather similar, but a conv't. The red coupe above is also by Pinninfarina.
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412003 Boticella at 2005 Pebble Beach concours
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See the car in post 16. It is rather similar, but a conv't. The red coupe above is also by Pinninfarina.
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Were there two cars with s/n 412003??
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10-24-2007, 02:02 AM
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Were there two cars with s/n 412003??
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I understand that many can enjoy pictures of exceptional cars, and the 8C2900s are my favourites. Now we are mixing pics of current, rebuilt bodies, and those of original ones, sometimes discarded in the past.
Yet, without the depth of Simon Moore's research, we had to fall into this kind of questions. The historical reality reconstructed by Simon needs attention and caution in taking into account all the facts he gathered before coming to a conclusion, which is still a documented scholar hypothesis. This includes the renumbering of some chassis, a touchy issue, but Simon's evidence show that it did happen. Simon is also careful, and has owners looking at the manuscript before printing in order to avoid any mess... I guess you understand what I mean. So when disclosing some parts of what he finds he carefully chooses his words.
Now no one can seriously re-type here all Simon's findings, it would be long and unfair to him. Moreover, while understanding that those who haven't had the chance of buying the book when new have now little chance to get a copy ($$$!!!), many enthusiasts haven't access to the knowledge.
This will be addressed soon with the edition of the update, due in a few months. It will bring many new informations, so going intoi any depth here is a bit pointless until the new book comes out.
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Simon Moore (in dark sweater) behind his car.
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Now no one can seriously re-type here all Simon's findings, it would be long and unfair to him. Moreover, while understanding that those who haven't had the chance of buying the book when new have now little chance to get a copy ($$$!!!), many enthusiasts haven't access to the knowledge.
This will be addressed soon with the edition of the update, due in a few months. It will bring many new informations, so going intoi any depth here is a bit pointless until the new book comes out.
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Excuse the rambling nature of this post but
1 - to answer the question, was there 2 412003's ??.
Answer: Gross oversimplification, but what the heck  Yes, some, maybe most, but not all italian racing cars where numbered and taxed for export, for instance most cars sent to le mans, grand prix cars sent overseas etc. Now when you built a new one, why not just affix a number already taxed so you dont have to pay again  , so you can also renumber the old car and sell as a new one, and kind of make money twice. One could argue that their were only one car but why would you change such items as the door screws or headlight fittings, you wouldnt. So when you see the 412003 that raced in 1935 and the car that raced in 1936 you see ahh two different cars. The 1935 car was renumber/ rebodied and sold as new, ha ha. And so................, the same thing happened with 250F Maserati's and other vehicles even Porsche 917's had the same treatment. And at the time who cared ??
2 - I dont have the 8C2900 book, when it came out I was 18 and on a low income and thought, old alfa's ahh who cares, and I have kicked myself ever since. Two or three years ago, I bought the 8C2300 book and my god that is stunning, both presentation and information are stunning. As and when the new 8C2900 book comes out, I will be buying mine. Further what I like is his writing style, far too many authors state things as facts when most things are shades of grey. For instance who knows if something still contains all of its chassis or if it was replaced in its restoration in 1967 or whatever the situation, and Simon has respect for his readers and thus puts the information in the readers hands and then we can make the decision. Unlike other authors who just tell us fake, real, fake, real yadda yadda
3 - need to be careful that we dont give too much information that might be copyrighted
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'The Immortal 2.9' revised and expanded 2nd edition due in 2008
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This will be addressed soon with the edition of the update, due in a few months. It will bring many new informations, so going intoi any depth here is a bit pointless until the new book comes out.
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The magazine 'Auto Italia' nr. 142 (28 February - 26 March 2008) contains an article on the 8C2900 written by Simon Moore and with photographs by Phil Ward.
In this article on page 29 it says and I quote 'Simon Moore's book 'The Immortal 2.9', was published in 1987 and is long since out of print. However, the publisher, Parkside Publications, is producing a completely revised and expanded second edition which should appear in 2008. The book will give a complete history of all the cars including the one featured here' unquote.
I can't wait until the opportunity arises to buy a copy!
Ciao, Olaf
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While you are all waiting for the new 2.9 book to come out you might want to pick up a copy of "The Legendary 2.3". Its a much better book than the old "Immortal 2.9" and touches on some mistakes that he made in the 2.9 book. Its great reading for real car geeks!!
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The Legendary 2.3 is a 3 book set, not just one.
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