1961 Alfa Spider Veloce

[AlfistiSA]

I'll second Pieter, BOBCOR had a modified Spider for sale a few months ago, The modifications were virtually identical - it might even be the same car ??, however I seem to recall that Bob's one had Sprint tail lights...

I've never seen any Factory info on such a mod - other than the prototype Spider in Museo Storico.

Talented body man & client with $$$ usually = this sort of work. For what it's worth, the result is very neat, if not to everyone's taste.

Ciao
Greig

[61ARproto]

Greig,
The car was purchased from Bobcor. Did you actually see the car first hand? If so, at what location and when??? The car was delivered to me on June 14th, 2007.
Thank you, keith

[pieter97]

If you bought it from Bob Corr this summer, it is the same car I saw.
I think it will be very difficult to find out what really happpened to the car. Was there an accident at some point in time and did someone put a rear end from a MG on it? Whoever did it, did a good job.
I find the prototype story hard to believe, but that is just my opinion. Does this theory correspond with a new line of cars / model at the time?
I don't know the production runs very well (when did they start, when did they end), but there is a lot of data available on production runs, VIN # etc, so you should be able to find out if the facts support the theory.
Nice car though.

[GTD]

Keith
As previously stated, an interesting modified car. You don't state the series or engine size. I suspect what we are viewing is a modified 101 chassis.
I'm not interested in guessing how or what has been altered nor in criticizing your car. You bought it therefore you must like the look of it.
If your wish is to actually find out what you have bought, please post photos of the engine, underside of hood, trunk and underside of trunk lid; close up pics of the serial numbers in the firewall and on the engine block.

My suspicions are aroused by the Bob Corr connection.

[threebyv]

61ARproto,

A car almost identical to yours was sold in Sweden in 2005. I corresponded with the then owner as I was asked to put the advert for it on the register web-site (www.giulietta.com). They believed the modifications to be original and the external filler was put on to aid refuelling during racing. The car was so similar to yours right down to the painted rear view mirrors and the Nardi style steering wheel. The whole of the rear is identical. Where it did differ though was it did not have the flutes in the bonnet (hood) and it had front repeaters on the wings (fenders).

All the best

Regards

Peter

[AlfistiSA]

Hi Keith

I only saw the pictures on Ebay - I live in South Africa, I'm not even on the same continent as you.

The boot lid lock looks like the unit from an MGB GT ??

A detailed inspection of the inside of the bootlid should prove the provinence of the bodywork - if there is any filler / lead & evidence of seams / welding to the inside, this should show that there was work done to the car. Remember, these cars are for the best part 50 years old by now & lots has happened in the hands of unsympathetic owners.

Body repairs & modiciations are not too difficult, after all there are at least 170% of all original SZ's / TZ's and 250GTO SWB cars left, despite the attrition that results from racing.

As per GTD, post the chassis / engine numbers & some shots from the inside of the boot area / engine bay, etc - if the car has had a colour change / respray that should be another clue as to someone spending some time on the body. If the engine bay is black, that should be a huge clue - except if you have an SZ of course (even one of the 170% ones)

Doesn't change the fact that a Giulietta , any Giulietta is a great car.

Ciao
Greig
Sunny South Africa
Some 750's
Some 101's
Some 105's
Some others

[AlfistiSA]

Hi Peter

Welcome aboard, nice to have you here on the BB - threebyv was a dead give away, I still have those pictures I took in Lutterworth, so made doubly sure

How are the cars ?

Best regards
Greig

[AlfistiSA]

Thought I'd show these two Sprints - somewhat different to when they left Portello........

I somehow don't *think* these are Factory Built, although the one under restoration apparently has Conrero history.......

Regardless of how ugly / unusual / whatever - they are well built - consider the skill in getting the chrome trim to fit around that snout on the blue car ??

Ciao
Greig

And NO they are NOT mine !!

[61ARproto]

Gordon,
Thank you for your information. Thus far, you seem to have the right direction for me to research. I will pursue!
Keith

[AlfistiSA]

Hi Keith

Please post your findings, you have a very interesting car, with a well built tail - it will be most interesting to find out some more history on it.

I've been looking to see if I downloaded the pictures from the Bobcor ebay auction, but sorry - no.

Looking at the pictures you posted, your car is fitted with Fergat wheels on the LHS and Borrani wheels on the RHS - both are Giulietta wheels, but are from alternate suppliers, the Borrani's have oval holes, the Fergats have triangular holes. Easy to sort out - what is the spare ?

What is written on the aluminium casting on the rear deck - the Giulietta Ti's used a similar casting, which said Alfa Romeo.

Regards
Greig

[AlfistiSA]

In order of toys - Peter's '58, Bob Cess' '60 and Colin's '61, showing the variations over the years.

Is the casting on your Spider the same as one of these ?

Regards
Greig

[61ARproto]

Greig,
Thank you for your comments. I am in the process of posting additional pictures of the inside of the trunk and the motor.
I am not sure as to where to locate the aluminum casting on the rear deck. So far, there are only two numbers. The motor and the body. I did look at an original spider, a 1961, it had numbers embossed in the trunk on the floor towards the rear of the car. Mine does not.
Help me locate the casting.
Thank you, Keith

[61ARproto]

Dear friends,
Thank you all for the help thus far. These are additional photos of inside the trunk. Any clues?

[AlfistiSA]

Hi Keith

That is a very neat boot / trunk interior, it loks like that rear panel has been very nicely executed.

This is the casting I was talking about - apologies for calling it aluminium, its actually pot metal that has been chromed.

The trunk interior on Giulietta Spiders, (Pininfarina built cars), should be body colour and not black - only the Sprint had a black trunk interior.

Ciao
Greig

[61ARproto]

Grieg,
There are no marks on the rear casting in question. This is an original piece, still shows some pot marks in the plating. The tag holder looks to be a reproduction part that has been added.
The inside of the trunk was originally red as the exterior was. Somewhere down the line, the bottom and sides have been painted black.
Thank you, keith