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Old 03-21-2007, 07:34 AM
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1937 engine s/n P 823827 ID help

I have a 1937 6C2300B engine and transmission and would love to know what the coachwork was on the car and on which wheelbase. Engine S/N P 823827 I think the P is Pescara. Any comments would be welcome. I am only saying what I think it is and describing my parts. I have some parts as spares that are not the same as each other ie. the cam chain/gear assy with and without the shaft mount for the engine fan. I think the intake manifold is from a 6C2500 with three 36 DO 2 carbs. If I sound confused I am. Thanks for those that commented in the history forum. Hope to here more comments. Kim
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:09 AM
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The Alfa archives can't (or won't) do a trace by engine number. I will go though what I have to try and find out what this motor was in..
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Old 03-23-2007, 07:01 AM
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Additional info on engine P 823827

dretceterini, Thanks for your support and time. Is there any way to tell the
6C2300 from the 6C2300B looking at the engine? Here is some of the data from my parts:
Alfa engine parts detail:
Engine block S/N P 823827
Bore with inside micrometer 72.97mm 2.873in
Intake valve 39mm Exhaust valve 35mm
Rod lower 52mm Rod upper 22mm
Head stamped 074 Cam cover stamped S42
Intake manifold 6C 160485 B7
Pulley-engine 6C47039 B7
Transmission bottom case 6C47623
top case BX
Bell housing stamped 944430 A16 24x37
Fuel Pump Corteco
Magneti Marelli : Coil, Generator, and
S44 Distributor S-N-46
Weber Carbs 36 DO2
I know the bore is 72+ and not 70+ but either it was bored out (2mm is a lot of material to remove) or Alfa started using the new bore prior to the 6C2500. I have lots of engine pics I can post if it would help. By the way I restored my '58 Guilletta in '67 including an engine rebuild when I was 21 so it's in my blood.
Thanks, Kim

Last edited by Kim Loyd; 03-23-2007 at 07:04 AM. Reason: clarification
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Old 03-23-2007, 11:10 AM
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Although I am very interested in 6c2300s, 6c2300Bs, and 6c2500s, I am far from an technical expert. I have never owned one.

From the information I have, there is no difference between a 6c2300 and 6c2300B motor. The difference is that the 2300 had a solid rear axle and the 2300B had a swing axle rear end.

There are rumors that some of the motors used in the 6c2300B MMs were actually 2500cc, but I have no evidence.

As far as I am aware, no 6c2300 was built with a 3 carb manifold, but it is not that difficult to put the 6c2500 3 carb manifold on a 2300 engine. The increase in bore and the adaptation of the 3 carb manifold could have been done in the 40s or 50s by someone like Nardi.

The people that are the technical experts on 6c2300 and 6c2500s are: Fabio Calligaris and Gippo Salvetti

Their e-mails are: fabio.calligaris@6c2500.org
and enniosei@enniosei.it

The e-mail I have for Tito Anselmi, who wrote the 6c2500 book (there is, unfortunately, no book on 6c2300s) is: tito@edizionipificio.it

Raoul San Georgi also knows a great deal about these cars. He is the one that "recreated" the 1939 Le Mans car based on 6c2500 parts that sold for something like a half-million dollars recently. His e-mail is: sangiorgi@pandora.be

As to using the title Pescara or Mille Miglia for this 6c2300 motor number:

The 6c2300 with two carbs became known as the Pescara because it won that race.

The 6c2300B with two carbs is generally known as the Mille Miglia, because it won it's class in that race.

I'm not sure why Fusi calls both cars by the Pescara name. I believe the 6c2300B, with the swing axle rather than the solid axle was first built in 1936.

Some also say there is a Series 1 and a Series 2 6c2300B Mille Miglia, which makes the matter even more confusing.

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