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But the Author is not a Mr. Nobody. He is generally known a an Authoritative in the Italian Car history. And in my eyes he is to day the uppermost Authoritative Author in the Alfa Romeo history.
In my opinion, such a position gives obligations, and the reader the right to have the expectation that the content of the work, reflect the title and covers the diff. angle if not all the issues regarding the variety on the known design issue, AT THE TIME THE BOOK IS RELEASED .
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The quote above is exactly where I dissent with you. An authoritative book is not a complete compilation of documents no matter relevance, quality and contents of the explanations. That's the league of another well-known author, not quite an "authority".
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And I am sorry, but I don't follow you line quote: "For all these reasons I find it difficult to understand that you play this book down despite you usual Alfa culture."
And if you by Alfa culture mean, one I not allowed to express ones disappointment regarding the content of a book, where the author has omitted a car with a special design as the car in question.. Sorry so I must admit I DON'T HAVE ALFA CULTURE, if that is the "interpretation" of Alfa Culture. And then levee the question of culture to an other tread.
[...] BUT I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED TO KNOW THAT THE "CARLO" ONE,IS LITERALLY OMITTED.
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For me the Alfa, or more generally the automobile culture is what allows you to reckon, stress and praise what differenciates a good book (in this case a masterpiece, I dare to say) from an average or a poor one. And, IMHO, it's not down to the fact that a single car may be missing: ALL THE BOOKS do miss something. The quality stays in the coherence, the depth, the edition work, the accuracy. No one has the "obligation" of completeness, it cannot make sense.
With this, I don't intend to start a flame, and I agree to stay focused on Carlo's mistery car.
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Ohh what did I do???? 
I just thought it's a legal question to wonder why Mr. Anselmi was aware of the car but didn't mention it in his book.
I see no problem in the poor quality photo from a vintage Auto Italiana mag. A good copy should be availiable at Publifoto, not an unknown photographer in Italy.
Whatever, I don't intend to blame the author for that, neither am I disappointed that some cars are missing in his book.
The opposite is true 
What should we do if there wouldn't be those mysteries???
It creates a very special satisfaction to find out those things, even more if the research is shared by many members of our community. If every book would be perfect, we would have no matter to discuss.
So let's stay focused on those badges and rectangle headlights, those moth-in-kaw-seats and other fascinating Alfa Romeo topics!!!
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02-22-2007, 09:00 AM
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Yep, back to the topic.
The first square headlights were issued by Bosch in 1940 and found their way on the Auto Avio Costruzioni Tipo 815. Yet, not exactly the same as on "Carlo's" 6C2500.
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I don't think research is EVER compleated, and it is quite possible that we will never know the absolute truth about many things; not only cars. Anselmi did a fantastic job, but the book needed to get finished and there were still mysteries. It is the same case with Simon Moore's fantastic 8c2900 and 8c2300 books. Personally, I have spent 30+ years trying to find the true answers about the Alfa 412 sports! If trying to find answers is your passion, try and do it with many of the "etceterini" marques!
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Yep, back to the topic.
The first square headlights were issued by Bosch in 1940 and found their way on the Auto Avio Costruzioni Tipo 815. Yet, not exactly the same as on "Carlo's" 6C2500.
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I do not think the headlights on the two Auto Avio 815s are square; it is only the covers over them that are....
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I know that Bosch' proposal then set a small fashion trend back in 1940 and the 815 was the first, or among the first to use them.
I'm not sure, but I seem to remember it was not before the mid-60s and the Cibié headlights fitted to Renault R16 and later R10 that a true rectangular reflector was produced.
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02-22-2007, 09:41 AM
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Here is a better photo. It looks like the headlights themselves are round to me...
http://www.museodellauto.it/images/bar_815.jpg |
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I think Stu is right
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Well, I'm not certain, because the photos are of the car owned by Righini and aren't that old. Certainly the original units could have been replaced with modern ones since the car was built, circa 1939/1040. The second car was destroyed long ago.
Here is yet another modern photo of the Righini car. It is really hard to tell what shape the actual headlight units are...
http://www.barchetta.cc/Common/Image...021.GF.001.jpg
In this period drawing, they appear to be a rounded off rectangle!
http://www.geocities.com/mcascella/aac815-4.jpg
The 2nd (destroyed) car has longer front and rear fenders than the Righini car which still exists
http://www.geocities.com/mcascella/aac815-5.jpg
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is this useable
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02-22-2007, 11:04 AM
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is this useable
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That's the best photo so far, and it appears to be period, so I would say the headlight units themself were round....
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I don't think there is a more authority picture. Its from the first Touring book.
In the text are stated Diamond shaped Bosch head lamps typical for the period.
I think its faraway from square lamps
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I don't think there is a more authority picture. Its from the first Touring book.
In the text are stated Diamond shaped Bosch head lamps typical for the period.
I think its faraway from square lamps
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02-22-2007, 03:18 PM
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I'm not sure exactly what is meant by "diamond shaped"....could they also be very early sealed beam hedlights? The first patent was issued to Greiner, a German, and resulted in a sealed beam automotive headlight being introduced by Bosch in 1938 and General Electric in 1939.
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Hi gtv2000,
The first square headlights that come to mind, are the ones on the Maserati QP1 that was first shown in '63..........
Kindest regards Ian.
Note: I suppose "rectangular" would be correct.
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