Carlos Unknown 6C2500

[2000 touring sp]

As promised some pictures of the diff design element that has been mentioned.
First Boneschi Monterosa 8C Cabriolet as an example on haw Benoschi covered the rear wheels.
Stabilimento Farina examples of the same.
I am sorry I could not find any good examples from Pinin Farina

[2000 touring sp]

Ghia was a master in wheel covering under the Boano leadership, only challenged by the France, as I se it.
I am sorry could not find anything from Ghia that resembles the design of the rear window.
If anyone has something please post it

[2000 touring sp]

Some examples on rear window designs.
Alfa Romeo 6C2500 Allemano 1947 and Balbo Fiat in 1950. Boneschi Fiat 1100 1947/48 and a Beautiful Lancia Apprilia Grand Gala 1948

[velocedoc]

Looking at your pictures, the Balbo lends itself to the car in question just by the fact of the rear window interpretation.
What isn't to say that the 6c isn't an American collaboration with Lowey in an attempt to reach out to the American market? With the rumble seat that would lend credance to the intended audience who would be of age and financial position at this time in life to own such a car.

Was there a post of what a Balbo logo on a car would look like?
IMO Balbo is one of the designers to go out far enough to make a bold statement.

[dretceterini]

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Originally Posted by 2000 touring sp Some examples on rear window designs. Alfa Romeo 6C2500 Allemano 1947 and Balbo Fiat in 1950. Boneschi Fiat 1100 1947/48 and a Beautiful Lancia Apprilia Grand Gala 1948

[2000 touring sp]

Yes Stu. Some of them is the Fornai. I have great pleasure of the , not the best quality in picture, but they gives a lot of info on the individual Carrozzeria you find in other places. The Ghia pictures is from The Ghia Book and Beboschi pictures is from the Benoschi book. You can clearly se the diff in the picture quality. But the Fornai´s gives a lot of value for app. 25 Euro. I lost you mail address on the old PC. If you are interested I can make a scan of the FrontPages of what I have.

I attach a picture of the Balbo Logo. I don't think it gives a lot of trace. The Carrozzeria Balbo is one of those that I difficult to give a specific place in the market. They did 8C2500 Bodies back in the 30. But here after WWV2, they struggle just to survey. But that situation could also lead to doing something diff.
I have an other picture from Lombardi of a rear design on a Fiat 500 from 1950.
Just to get the confusion complete

[dretceterini]

Can you just post Fornai's e-mail if you have it? I think I got the Siata book and the Moretti book from Gilena in Brescia. My direct e-mail is dretceterini@hotmail.com

[vroom]

Wow!

FANTASTIC POST MANY THANKS!

[dretceterini]

Gilena appears to have all the books Fornai wrote, including some I didn't know about. Here is a direct link.. I guess I will send them an order...

Title

CARROZZIERI ITALIANI (VOL 1) 25,00

CARROZZIERI ITALIANI (VOL 2) 25,00

CARROZZIERI ITALIANI (VOL 3) 25,00

FRUA 1944-1983 25,00

GIOVANNI MICHELOTTI 1921-1979 28,00

LANCIA ARDEA E APPIA 25,00

MORETTI 1928-1986 25,00

SIATA 1926-1974 25,00

VIGNALE 1946-1974 26,00

http://www.gilena.com/negozio/home.asp?id=487102688&da= (click on search by author and type in Fornai)

[velocedoc]

Lombardi of a rear design on a Fiat 500 from 1950.
Just to get the confusion complete

The plot thickens...
I have never heard of Lombardi, but your Fiat 500 makes the match to the designer just by the rear window alone.

Wouldn't you believe that one designer sees something unique from another and takes his own creative pencil to come up with another interpretation. So which comes first? The chick or the egg...or in this case...Balbo or Lombardi?

[vroom]

Can anybody blow this up better?

It looks like the Boneschi logo but that is all ..........

Who was using Square headlamps and rear mounted semaphores?

[2000 touring sp]

velocedoc: Wouldn't you believe that one designer sees something unique from another and takes his own creative pencil to come up with another interpretation. So which comes first? The chick or the egg...or in this case...Balbo or Lombardi?

You are absolutely right it is borough elements
I mentioned Raymond Loewy in an earlier post. As I se it, he was the first to use this rear design in 1945/46, if I recall right. Al the others are borough ideas. In connection with the Lombardi from 1950. I suppose a customer just walked into the bussines, and ordered a Fiat with that rear end design, and the standard front.
But borough design it is. But it makes it so dam difficult to identifies the body builder
A few pictures of Studebaker Commander

[2000 touring sp]

vroom: nice job with enlarging the logo.But I think we are on a wrong track with Boneschi

I have tried to trace the Boneschi logo that is on this site web site posted in post 8.
In the book about Carrozzeria Boneschi, I am unable to find any indication of that logo used on any of pictured car in the book.
If you look at the picture of the Fiat 1400 and the Lancia and the Monterosa 8c, at the rear upper part of the front mud guard, you will se what is used. The shield with a springing Dear with a crown on the top.
At the end of the 50 beginning of the 60 the logo changes to the rectangular that shown at the button of the site at attach Benoschi logos . It is a scan from the Benoschi book.

[vroom]

I see where you coming from and agree.

Boneschi is indeed a long shot!

I'm intrigued by the square lights so I will try and follow that clue for a little bit.

I must say that if it wasn't for the fact the car is pictured in Milan, I would almost be tempted to look at some non Italian Carroserie.

Many thanks, John

[dretceterini]

Maybe it isn't a "B" and is an "S" about 2/5 from the left. Savio maybe??!!