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Old 11-11-2005, 12:54 PM
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Unknown Carrozzeria 6C2500.

Maybe the head of this tread is wrong as these carrozzeria is known, but unknown to me. I was going over the car list of the 6C2500, Anselmi, and there in this there is 2 carrozzeria that I completely unknown for me. searching the net didn't give any clue.
Does anyone have any info on these 2
Carrozzeria Bagnara . SPA Attillio Bagnara ,Genova . They build a berlina spec, on chassis 916406
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Stabilimenti Monvico srl, Torino they probably build something on chassis 915384
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:45 PM
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I have Stabilimento Monviso s.r.l. Torino with a "s". Most interesting models produced: 1949 Lancia Aprilia Coupe with wrap around rear window, the Stella Alpina sports model on Fiat 1100 B and E chassis and the Rondine Sports on Fiat 1400. In 1955 Monviso was taken over by Ghia, who transformed it into a subsidiary workshop for the construction of its own models.
This was their logo:
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Old 11-12-2005, 06:05 AM
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thanks Boudewijn.
it is with a S. The Ghia tread was good. I 1953 Mr Casalis, the owner of Monviso, gave Segre financial back up in his buying the Boanos, father and son Paola, out of Ghia.
In 1955 they establish a common company Ghia-Monviso-OS. Who or what OS is I don't know.
Under the Monviso shield they produced some cars on Fiat 1100/1400 basis , there after the Monvico name disappeared, either absorbed in Ghia or Mr Casalis just withdraw from the cooperation.
Should you by any chance have pictures of any of these cars the 1949 Lancia cold be interesting
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Old 11-12-2005, 08:21 AM
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I have never heard of Bagnara, and can not find anything in any of the books I have. I will start to look through my (small) collection of period Italian magazines. The shop might have been mainly a body repair shop than a coachbuilding shop.
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Old 11-12-2005, 10:10 AM
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Me neither, but in Anselmis book 6C2500 appendix page 277 mid page chassis 916406 engine 926708
a berlina spec. so I suppose that the info is valid. I have never noticed this carrozzeria before, so it is a bit strange for me to
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Old 11-13-2005, 03:58 AM
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On page 65 of Anselmi's book there are 2 pictures of the Bagnara design. Also you might read in the italian text the design house of Attilio Bagnara was founded in 1895 and was specialised in bus- and streetcar design.
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Thanks a lot, my Italian is not at a level where I can get any conclusion out of what I read.
But this is embarrassing, as I have spelled this site to make a knowledge of who had designed this car. but unfortunate I didn't make any correlation to the appendix, if I had done that the question would have been unnecessary. Thanks for polishing my glasses.
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Old 11-13-2005, 08:10 AM
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The name bagnara did ring a bell, but until reference to autobus construction had been quoted, I didn't recall.

FYI, here's an example of Bagnara-coachbuilt Alfa Romeo trolleybus of the fifties.
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Old 11-13-2005, 04:29 PM
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I guess they were kind of like Boneschi; a company that built mainly commercial vehicles.
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Old 11-13-2005, 04:53 PM
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According to Anselmi's caption for the 6C2500, it's an old Genua company specialized in busses and commercial attempted postwar to coachbuild a few cars, including that 6C, but didn't insist. The trolley of my pic is a later work (needs a check) compared to the 6C, which is of 1949 vintage.
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What about Monviso, according to Boudewijn they used the wrap around rear wind screen, in my eyes, it sound as it could be related to Raymond Loewy design of Studebaker Champion by the end of the 40 ,Boneschi used on some cars the same design of the rear window.

Thou maybe not related. In Jo Benson Buyers Guide from 1983 page 22. Jo Benson mentioned a Mystery 6C2500 belonging to Bob Tucker, and could be related to the Riva 6C2500.
Do anyone know the identity of that car
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Old 11-15-2005, 10:16 AM
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Lancia Aprilia Monviso 1949.
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Bob Tucker's 6c2500

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What about Monviso, according to Boudewijn they used the wrap around rear wind screen, in my eyes, it sound as it could be related to Raymond Loewy design of Studebaker Champion by the end of the 40 ,Boneschi used on some cars the same design of the rear window.

Thou maybe not related. In Jo Benson Buyers Guide from 1983 page 22. Jo Benson mentioned a Mystery 6C2500 belonging to Bob Tucker, and could be related to the Riva 6C2500.
Do anyone know the identity of that car
Without checking, I think Bob Tucker's 6c2500 coupe IS the Riva car, designed by Lurani....either that, or it is a one-off car bodied by Colli or Motto that looks like a large Cisitalia 202 coupe. I have the Benson book in front of me, and in that photo, it does NOT look like the Riva car; the rear fenders are too square. The Riva car's rear fenders appear to be rounder in the photos I have of it, and also in a Rens Biesma drawing I have of it.

Bob also owns a Plate-Alfa 6c2300 (chassis Prova 002) spider that has a strange tubular chassis with torsion bar suspension. The tubular chassis was designed by an engineer who was originally at Isotta-Fraschini, and had a son who was an engineer at Alfa in the 30s. After the war, they formed their own small engineering firm called CABI-Cattaneo. Monviso actually bodied a far number of cars, mainly Fiats and Lancias, but I don't think Bagnara did more than a handful of cars at best.

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Bob Tucker's 6c2500
I am not sure that it is neither the Riva or the Colli. Judged from the picture in the Buyers Guide there is an air intake on the engine helmet , that is not on the Riva or the Colli.
On the Colli the side line runs from the front fender to the rear fender , witch it seems not to on the Mystery one. And the Riva it cant be as you state.
According to Anselmi was the Cabi-Cattaneo also involved in the Riva model
The company still exist
http://www.cabicattaneo.it/
and on these is some info about their use of the 159 engine and 6C2500 engines in boat race.
http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?threadid=79018
http://www.anb-online.org/page_info....79f87f6e550cc2

Is there someone that can be contacted regarding the Mystery one.
Can anyone imagine that Monviso could have build an Alfa Romeo in the same design as the Lancia Boudewijn has put in this tread
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Can anyone imagine that Monviso could have build an Alfa Romeo in the same design as the Lancia Boudewijn has put in this tread
Che schifo!

BTW, always fun to be redirected toward what we have written ourselves elsewhere in other times...

Up to now, not been faced with blatant errors, but who knows...
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