Unknown Carrozzeria 6C2500.

[Boudewijn]

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Originally Posted by 2000 touring sp Sorry Boudewijn. But the C50 was first build in 1950, in one example, to my knowledge by Touring The 6c2500 Competizione came in 1946 and was build in 2 or 3 examples, and the first chassis must relate one of these. There is a slight difference in the design of these 2 models

[dretceterini]

What ever happened to the car that was in Canada and owned by someone named Bertolucci (sp?) that supposedly was partly one of the real 6c2500 Competitziones? Wasn't the car at Pebble Beach this year 6c2500 Competitzione #3?

[Boudewijn]

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Originally Posted by dretceterini What ever happened to the car that was in Canada and owned by someone named Bertolucci (sp?) that supposedly was partly one of the real 6c2500 Competitziones? Wasn't the car at Pebble Beach this year 6c2500 Competitzione #3?

[Boudewijn]

These are pics of #92001. First from the Mille Miglia crash of 1948, then when driven by Fangio at the Mille Miglia of 1950.

[Boudewijn]

Finally some pics of #92002, first at the Mille Miglia 1949, then at the Coppa d'Oro delle Dolomiti 1949 and a pic when his Swiss owner visited Monza in the mid-fifties.

[dretceterini]

Thanks for the great pictures. Last I remember, Berteletti had his Competitzione "replica" (but suposedly with a real body about 3/4 completed, and this was 7-8 years ago. I also vague remember a discussion in the 6c2500 newsletter of Mal Harris about the chassis he was using being odd, and having a narrower front track. Any idea if the "replica" was ever completed, and where it is now?

[Boudewijn]

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Originally Posted by dretceterini Thanks for the great pictures. Last I remember, Berteletti had his Competitzione "replica" (but suposedly with a real body about 3/4 completed, and this was 7-8 years ago. I also vague remember a discussion in the 6c2500 newsletter of Mal Harris about the chassis he was using being odd, and having a narrower front track. Any idea if the "replica" was ever completed, and where it is now?

[Alex]

Unfortunately I do not have a scanner, but December's issue of Classic and Sportscar magazine in the UK (p.216) has an advert for a pre-war 6C2500SS. The text reads as follows:

"Chassis # 915.522 Engine #923.622

Two-seat one-off alloy body by Pinin Farina designed for Field Marshall Bron von Richtofen. Driven to 3rd in class, 22nd overall in 1948 Mille Miglia - race #224 Graziani/Cousini. Additional documented racing history, hopefully more to come. Please see pages 105, 234 and 252 in Anselmi's "Alfa Romeo 6C2500" book. Restoration started. POA"

The car is being offered by BBOne Exports in LA (bbone@dslextreme.com) and claims bills for over $100K to date. Someone might be able to offer further information.

Alex.

[dretceterini]

I saw the car about 5 years ago, when it was in parts at Ray Milo's home in the Hollywood hills (Ray is one of the owners of BB-One). It is a real pre-war 6c2500SS, and if I remember correctly, one of the 20 (approx) Tipo 256s according to Fabrizio Callegeras (sp?), the Italian 6c2500 expert

[2000 touring sp]

hank you Boudewijn for these wonderful pictures , the car 104 with a altered nose do you know witch one that is
What I am thinking on in relation to the C50 and the 3 chassis of Gilco/Cabi-Cattaneo. We know where the 2 chassis is, the Riva and the Colli. But the third, that was or suppose to been dressed by Touring. Where is that. Some state that the C50 was on a experimental chassis.
If we think , maybe a crazy idea, that Touring didn't build the proposed design to the third chassis of Gilco/Cabi-Cattaneo, but used that one for the C50.
Whey was Touring asked to Dress a chassis of 6C2500 with the same design that already was produced internal, I suppose, by Alfa Romeo. I have difficult to any reason whey they should do that, it don't sound reasonable in my ears.
Whey was the C50 "demolished by Alfa Romeo" it was the latest build , was the quality done by Touring so lousy that Alfa just scraped it, I don't think so. There must have been other things to this.
We have an idée that the engine maybe went to an other chassis (C52) but was that reason just to say, that was it, with the rest of the car. Hard to believe for me.

[2000 touring sp]

Here is the pictures of C48 6C2500 Competitzione First edition and C48 6C2500 Second edition.
In 1950 Fu allestito un nuovo telario montado un motore sperimentale di tre litre.
All according to Anselmi

[Boudewijn]

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Originally Posted by 2000 touring sp Here is the pictures of C48 6C2500 Competitzione First edition and C48 6C2500 Second edition. In 1950 Fu allestito un nuovo telario montado un motore sperimentale di tre litre. All according to Anselmi

[2000 touring sp]

Boudewijn you continue to impress with you file.
This 920.003 is with a 6C2500 engine , to me it means that its a C48 and not a C50 witch was with the 6C3000 engine.
This correlates with my knowledge that there was 3 build C48 , and it is also confirmed by Fusi.
But to me it, the big question is, whey did they make Touring build the C50, if it was the same design of body and chassis, minor alterations related to a diff. engine was necessary.
But ells vice the same car, for me it is un understandable

[Boudewijn]

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Originally Posted by 2000 touring sp Boudewijn you continue to impress with you file. This 920.003 is with a 6C2500 engine , to me it means that its a C48 and not a C50 witch was with the 6C3000 engine. This correlates with my knowledge that there was 3 build C48 , and it is also confirmed by Fusi. But to me it, the big question is, whey did they make Touring build the C50, if it was the same design of body and chassis, minor alterations related to a diff. engine was necessary. But ells vice the same car, for me it is un understandable

[Boudewijn]

C50 was built in a very short period of time: just a couple of weeks. The car arrived a few minutes before the start of the Mille Miglia, this is also the reason why there only exist 4 known pictures of the car: two taken during the race and 2 of the wreck. This is the other one to follow. It was thought to take other pictures after the race. One could imagine when one decides to quickly start a project like this a couple of weeks before the race it would practically be impossible to construct a whole new chassis. It was Tito Anselmi who quoted Busso about there being no third Competizione but just a reserve chassis #3 and that this one was used for C50. These are all quotes from the experts in those days, and who am I. There are a lot of contradictory data so I can't say exactly how it all happened.