6c2500 Competitzione and 6c3000-C50 - Page 2

gtv2000 · #16 (**permalink**) 12-07-2006, 07:47 AM

I join in acknowledging your effort of putting the story online.

Stu, the 6C3000 engine is the one designed in 1948 for the dropped 6C3000 car that was planned before the '4C1900'. Basically, it has to be the same in the Competizione and the 3-litre Disco, and indeed I 've seen it described that way everywhere. Now it may have been adapted or updated...

**AR58SprintV** · #17 (**permalink**) 01-26-2007, 11:18 PM

When the 6c3000 engine was out of its chassis before Pebble, it had all the hallmarks of a first-series 1900 engine with two extra cylinders, and bore no relation to the preceeding 6c2500 production parts. The most telling external cue is the row of 4 screw-in core plugs (the 1900s have 3) to the water jacket, rather than the screwed on plates of the 2500s or the series 2 or 3 1900s.

Cheers,
Laurence

Hydroglen · #18 (**permalink**) 01-27-2007, 05:06 AM

I am not sure I follow, but from about 1944 all 6Cengines had aluminum screw in plugs and not bolt on plates for water plugs.
DB

dretceterini · #19 (**permalink**) 01-27-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydroglen

I am not sure I follow, but from about 1944 all 6Cengines had aluminum screw in plugs and not bolt on plates for water plugs.
DB

dretceterini · #20 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 04:51 AM

In the 1951 Mille Miglia there were 2 cars, but I only have a video showing #422 and not #419 On You Tube, posted by someone else, as "1951 Mille Miglia"

Link: YouTube - 1951: la Mille Miglia passa ad Antrodoco

Any idea which car was which chassis number?

Boudewijn · #21 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dretceterini

In the 1951 Mille Miglia there were 2 cars, but I only have a video showing #422 and not #419 On You Tube, posted by someone else, as "1951 Mille Miglia"

Link: YouTube - 1951: la Mille Miglia passa ad Antrodoco

Any idea which car was which chassis number?

dretceterini · #22 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boudewijn

Hi Stu,
This might help. Though in dutch.
Best
Boudewijn

gtv2000 · #23 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dretceterini

What book did THAT come from? It's not from Anselmi.

carlo · #24 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 12:33 PM

Today I saw a confusing photo at the Iso Grifo Images - Page 2 - FerrariChat.com
I guess for non-members the photos don't show up, so here is what I mean...

Somehow the car reminds me of a 2500 competizione, please let me know your opinions.

Best regards
Ciao Carlo

Boudewijn · #25 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 02:12 PM

In order to examine resemblances or differences here are 2 photos of the restoration of #920.002 in the early 80-ies. First a shot of as it was before reatoration started, then a later restoration shot.

iicarJohn · #26 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 06:05 PM

Hi Carlo,

It looks to me like the alloy car in the middle of image that you gleaned from Ferrari Chat is either a Cisitalia or a Cisitalia wanna-be. More information would be very nice. It looks like one of two cars allegedly made in a similar style but there have been persistent rumors of a third, not supported by any period documentation that I've seen.

The red "Can-Am"ish looking thing behind could be a number of things with "Abarth" coming to mind most readily. On the left, Lancia B20 (or similar) and of course an E-Type Jaguar in the distance just to make the photo not as interesting as it might be. Nothing against E-Types, mind you. Just a bit too "successful" (from a marketing standpoint) to be truly interesting.

Best regards.

John de Boer

dretceterini · #27 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 09:20 PM

I believe that one of the 6c2500 Competitiziones actually raced as late as 1956, as a privateer. I saw pictures somewhere of one with a longer nose and different grille, but I don't remember exactly where.

Dave Mericle Jr. in Garden Grove California has a photo of a car that looks like a cross between a 6c2500 with gullwing doors and a 1900! He found it along with a number of other Alfa photos (probably stolen from the Alfa archive) about 10 years ago at an Italian swap meet.

I'm not sure exacty what the car is, as I had never seen it before! I have asked Dave for a copy of the photo a number of times, but never got it. I'll ask again....

**tubut** · #28 (**permalink**) 12-13-2007, 11:14 AM

FYI: Pictures of #920001 at the 1948 MM posted by alfaronny to a great MM thread on another BB.

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...ZANARDI_01.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...ZANARDI_02.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...ZANARDI_03.jpg

2000 touring sp · #29 (**permalink**) 12-13-2007, 12:06 PM

Thanks for a nice link

iicarJohn · #30 (**permalink**) 12-17-2007, 10:22 AM

I had rather hoped that someone else would rebut at least portions of the "Hydroglen" posting (#12) of one year ago in this thread. He and I have butted heads on this topic before in other venues and I really have no desire to go through it all again. But, it would seem there has been some sort of tacit approval of his account as relating "fact" rather than mere hypothesis and perhaps even some fiction and wishful thinking?

His general account of how the three or four cars were used originally is certainly possible, but is not the only interpretation possible based on the data we have. And, it should be acknowledged that I spoke in the 1980's and 1990's with some of the same people that he has cited in past discussions to help support his claims about the possible origins of his body. Although there was generally a rather kind acknowledgement of "possibility" while discussing the claims, the rolling eyes conveyed quite a different implication as to "probability" in their minds.

One inescapable fact is that the body currently fitted to the (now former) "Hydroglen" car (built on AR 6C2500 chassis N. 915249) does not carry the distinctive build details of the body that he says it was in origin. If there was anything of the original "001" body to begin with, and that has always seemed debatable(!), then it would seem that there is little of it that remains today.

The rest of the discussion should really be a matter left to those who are involved with the car today.

Another message will follow with a document of notes and observations about these cars.

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry