05-24-2005, 11:56 PM
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Project on the 1924-on Alfa P2 Racer
Im doing a research project on the 1924-on Alfa P2. Does anyone know the current price for this car?
and does anyone know the price of the car when it was made?
I think that only 6 were made, and only 2 are left. I think both are in the Alfa mueseum.
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05-25-2005, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gamebowser
Im doing a research project on the 1924-on Alfa P2. Does anyone know the current price for this car?
and does anyone know the price of the car when it was made?
I think that only 6 were made, and only 2 are left. I think both are in the Alfa mueseum.
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You're almost right about surviving cars: one in original (1925) conditions at the Arese museum, one in the 1930 update outfit at the Biscaretti museum in Turin. So, no market price for such cars as the only surviving ones are for decades in important museums not considering to sell. I'm aware of a replica, by memory I would say built by an Australian enthusiast with modern mechanicals and lookalike body).
Price in 1925 is also a nonsense issue as they were only official racing cars.
Only from 1926 were some cars sold (more probably than rented - the story goes that Alfa had to re-buy two to convert them into the 1930 Targa Florio racers, but it would as well make sense that they were only on loan from 1926 to 1928), thus second hand, and for "Formula Libre" racing only as they no longer suited international rules after the end of 1925. This would be an information, but I don't remember any quote for a price.
It would be more sensible to estimate study/development/build costs for the factory, but I fail to remember such figures in any, even very specialized publication. 
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05-25-2005, 01:01 PM
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Alfa Tipo Bs (P3s) have sold for as much as 10 million US dollars, so the P2, which is rarer, should be worth something in that neighborhood. I believe there have been a number of P2 "replicas" built, but with more modern motors and mechanicals, and coachwork that "looks like" a P2...
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05-25-2005, 11:12 PM
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Thanks for the info
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05-25-2005, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dretceterini
Alfa Tipo Bs (P3s) have sold for as much as 10 million US dollars, so the P2, which is rarer, should be worth something in that neighborhood. I believe there have been a number of P2 "replicas" built, but with more modern motors and mechanicals, and coachwork that "looks like" a P2...
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Probably Dr ... but rarity alone does not always dictate price. The P3 was far more successful than the P2, thus I'd pay much bigger money for a P3 myself.
The P2 was very good ... the P3 firmly etched a place in motorsport history!
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05-26-2005, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dretceterini
Alfa Tipo Bs (P3s) have sold for as much as 10 million US dollars, so the P2, which is rarer, should be worth something in that neighborhood. I believe there have been a number of P2 "replicas" built, but with more modern motors and mechanicals, and coachwork that "looks like" a P2...
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I fail to understand how you can guess a money value for something which has never been, nor probably will ever be for sale... 
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05-26-2005, 09:59 AM
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It just an "educated guess".
If Tipo Bs are worth around 10 million, and Ralph Lauren paid $12 million for the ex-Serri 8c2900B MM...then put something over a million dollars into it's restoration...I would guess that 10 million for a P2 would be close....but as you say, none will ever probibly ever come up for sale....BUT.....
With Fiat's lack of sales and current financial woes, even after the bail out from GM....and the statements from the Italian government that they won't provide any financial asistance to Fiat...I actually DO see the possibility of some of the cars in the museum being sold off, unless a major recovery is made.
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With Fiat's lack of sales and current financial woes, even after the bail out from GM....and the statements from the Italian government that they won't provide any financial asistance to Fiat...I actually DO see the possibility of some of the cars in the museum being sold off, unless a major recovery is made.
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which mean's it's time to pool our resources for the alfabb or aroc museum!!!   
i've got $20 for the pool
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I belive 4 were made ( a common groupe for genuine GPs) and two were converted around 29/30 to "targa florio" specs with 1750 radiator and spiar tre mounted vertical in the tail - did well; one was advertised inb the back of R&T in brazin back in the 70;s...non were were really available...like...it was stolen or somethiing. TF version always in Biscarti; standard at Alfa mmuseum - other two...oh...hidden; there iis that lovelky large scale clock work alfa P2 - I would practise at buying one of those first....
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12-06-2005, 08:17 PM
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Six cars were built. One of them came to Argentina and was entered in a single race where it was a DNF because of tyre problems. Then went back to Europe in the late 20s, but itīs driver, Vittorio de Rosa stayed.
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12-06-2005, 08:31 PM
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I'm aware of 3 body variations
1) standard pointed tail
2) widened tail with spare tyre mounted sideways, as on some 3-wheel Morgans
3) vertical slit in the pointed tail, for a spare, as in the 1930 TF
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12-06-2005, 08:42 PM
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Prototype without paint (very similar to Janoīs Fiat)
Short and long tail
Mechanic seat or extra fuel tank
Many variations!
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12-07-2005, 08:52 AM
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You are correct, of course, that there were any number of variations, but I was pointing out the 3 basic shapes. On some cars the mecahnic's seat was slightly furher back than the driver seat, so that the car could be slightly narrower. On the 1930 TF version, the car had a wider 1750 style grille.
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By the way, Cris Bertschi is the co-author, with Lao Iacona, of the amazing new book Alfa Romeo Argentina. There is a little website about the book at: http://www.whitefly.cc/ I have been carrying this book around these days...
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12-07-2005, 11:53 AM
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Hoping to get that book, amongst others, as Christmas presents
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