What is the best way to get the engine out?

[Barista1962]

Salve Ragazzi,

My bella suffers from worn piston rings. Well this is what I think. There is a lot of pumping when I open the oil-filling-cap an lots of blue smoke during hard acceleration. I have replaced the valve caps, but this wasn`t helpful.
Now the question. What is the best way to get the engine out? Eather to keep the gearbox attached or to separate clutch and gearbox before taking the engine out. What is your experience? What is neccessary for a home made session. ( motor lift, engine fixture, lifting the back of the car for clearance etc.)

Thank you in advance

Un pazzo d´AlfaRomeo

Barista

[Andrew]

Some take out just the engine, some like better taking the engine and trans as a unit. I myself like taking just the engine if that's all that's required. You'll need an engine hoist and something to support the front of the transmission (jack up front of trans as high as it will go). Unhook everything, including the front sway bar and rear steering tie rods, and make sure to remove the fan. Remove the hood too, and cover the body for protection. It looks like it won't fit out, but it will.

Andrew

[ossodiseppia]

I took it out with the gearbox and half the drive shaft attached.

[Andrew]

There are a number of threads on this topic on the BB if you want to read everyone's view, and the various tips under each method. Note that if taking the engine and trans out as a unit, as pictured above, get the rear of the car as high as possible to help the angle of egress from the engine compt.
Andrew

[Barista1962]

Mille grazie Ragazzi ,

the pictures are really great!

1. Does anyone know a way to replace piston rings and cylinder bushes without pulling the engine?
2. Is there a special tool neccessary to remove the cyliders from the block? I assume they might got stuck in corrosion and mud.
3. Pictures of my garage. is the hight sufficient?

Tanti saluti. a presto

Barista da Monaco

[Gordon Raymond]

This job may be possible in the car. I did it 40 + years ago at a race track with a Giulietta Veloce on a trailer, and me, MUCH younger, under the trailer. As I remember it was only slightly horrible as the engine had been freshly rebuilt prior to my attempt. The liners just knocked out with a hardwood block, once I pushed the pistons and rods out the top. The biggest problem was keeping the crank clean and out of the way, while working. Engines with some time on them can have the liners firmly stuck requiring the use of a liner driver which in turn requires removal of the crankshaft. That is not an in the car job. Hope this helps.

[Barista1962]

Salve Ragazzi,

found an engine hoist Made in Germany Würth 715 93 82 ; 500 kg. But:Lifts only 1.5 m rather 2m . Oil Leacking? Looks dry like a spinster. Any Ideas?

Tanti Saluti da Monaco di Bavari in Southern Germany!!!

Barista

P.S. What´s a dear with no eyes?...???


No Idea ( outch)

[emerald]

My garage is 7'8" - looks close to yours for height. I cut a hole in the ceiling to get to a joist (a beefy one) and then drilled a hole in the top of it for a chain and then come-along. I move the lifting strap forward one and the engine transmission assembly then rocks back pretty naturally on its own. I just have enough height like this to get the engine out.

[Barista1962]

Hi David,

my Landlord won't be really pleased if I drilled holes in his ceilling. But anyway I was successful in fixing my engine-hoist. I tried it with filling up a little hydraulic oil. This solved the issue. Now I reach 2 m ( 8') from the ground to the hook. I assume this should be sufficient.

Regards & Saluti

Barista

[180OUT]

Barista,

You'll need to put the cylinder head back on your engine. Also, mounted in the center of the head you'll see a curved metal lifting point. Take this loose and move it to the front cylinder head studs. This will give you a much better angle on your engine when you remove it. Whether or not you like to remove the gearbox is up to you. I like to remove the gearbox because it makes moving the engine around a lot easier.

OK, having said that (don't try this at home, kids), this a geezer story alert!

The best way to remove an engine from an Alfa requires building with a lot of distance to the celing.

In my friend Bob's shop many years ago the rafters were about 15ft in the air. We used a ratchet hoist (come-a-long to Americans) attached to a rafter far above the ground. We positioned a Alfa under the hoist, attached the hook, climbed onto the top of the engine and then lifted person and engine up at the same time. The advantage of this was that, using your weight, you could angle the engine downward at just the right time to make everything clear. With the engine in the air, you moved the car and then lowered the engine to the ground. Worked like a charm. . . if you were 25 and brave.

[Wille R.]

I do this operation with the engine in the bay. No problem. Pics etc. here: http://www.veloce.se/MECH10.HTM#rings

[Gordon Raymond]

Willie,
Great description! I used the same technique years ago on an open bed trailer! I'm older now, and the trailer is long gone, but memories of this system of "in the car" rebuild remain. Thanks!

[Wille R.]

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Originally Posted by Gordon Raymond Willie, Great description! I used the same technique years ago on an open bed trailer! I'm older now, and the trailer is long gone, but memories of this system of "in the car" rebuild remain. Thanks!

[rafael]

Willy R,

Thanks for the link. However three are not working:

Propeller Shaft - Rear Axle and Suspension
ATE Disc Brakes
Wheel and Suspension - Front End Geometry - Amendment to Specifications

Any idea what is wrong?

[Wille R.]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rafael Willy R, Thanks for the link. However three are not working: Propeller Shaft - Rear Axle and Suspension ATE Disc Brakes Wheel and Suspension - Front End Geometry - Amendment to Specifications Any idea what is wrong?