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Old 07-04-2007, 12:07 AM
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I simply asked for constructive and educated opinions and don't appreciate the "deaf ears" comment!
Try to cope.

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if your so damm passionate about it...make me an offer and come and save it!! I will charge you a premium for it....
No you keep it, I think I am going to enjoy following your restoration saga. I am still amused that anyone could correctly strip down a 105 in two weeks and reliably catalogue, archive, conserve and store every single item, because I am going through the process myself and know how methodical you need to be.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:56 AM
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Mr threealfas....too much sun up in brisbane...! not sure where you got the 2 weeks from, but for you're info...it has been correctly stripped already and I am cataloging what I need as we speak....I have already purchased a complete 2000 and 1750 engine of which will be completely stripped down by my engineers....the 2000 will go in the car, 1750 will go into storage for the day I may sell to someone who wants it...maybe I will never sell it.....?

I will create 2 bulk consignment orders for parts I will need, for interior and then under the bonnet...sourced both locally if possible and abroad if more cost effective..to save on freight, I will share a container with some guys that regularly ship out from that part of the world etc etc...

Its no biggie I'm a project manager and I manage multi-billion dollar world wide projects far more complex than an Alfa restoration...so ill manage....so prepare to stand corrected....
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:19 AM
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Mr threealfas....too much sun up in brisbane...! not sure where you got the 2 weeks from
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so prepare to stand corrected....
Take a look at your first entry to this thread, I was simply using your words.

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Its no biggie I'm a project manager and I manage multi-billion dollar world wide projects far more complex than an Alfa restoration...so ill manage....so prepare to stand corrected....


Wow!!! I don't know about everyone else, but I am impressed (that was the intention, wasn't it ?).
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2005 Holden Rodeo LT Crew Cab, Fox Fire Red

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1985 Volvo 360 GLT Dark Mettalic Blue
1970 GT Junior stepnose Resprayed Red, Giallo Ochre
1923 Amilcar Sports, rusty
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:57 AM
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OK I guess I really need to elaborate because I think threealfas has a bit too much time on his hands..

What is it about the following you find amusing?.......

I purchased the vehicle from someone who had it under a blanket for 15+years ...prior to that my father owned the vehicle and when when he sold it, he sold it with an inventory of all components together with the car...this particular vehicle was not sold at the time with all its major components fitted but it was sold as pretty much a shell with the main components boxed and cataloged at the time....during its dormant state for some 15+ years pieces where removed from this car by the previous owner for other restorations.... therefore when I came along it took me 2 weeks to strip the balance of this car i.e. steering column, suspension; mainly all the components required to push it around...I then "correctly" recorded the balance of what was stripped...collated all the information and pooled it all together in one document...

Therefore in reality it has been a combination of the last 15 years and my two weeks effort to do all the tasks you mention as being a "correct" stripping of a 105 as you call it...

Your attitude has lead you to make uninformed and annoying assumptions in an effort to support your argument...yes I asked for opinions but not derogatory comments or similar attitude...

Furthermore...Im not wanting to impress, I felt I had to stamp my qualifications seeing that you are repeatedly making me out as some kind of fool with your derogatory comments throughout this thread...

I would suggest that you refrain from your comments so the rest of the community can continue to contribute the great feedback here rather than to use this forum as some kind of ***** session...
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Old 07-04-2007, 12:53 PM
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Whoa,
Lets take this thing down a notch. We are supposed to be having fun. So lets get back to that restoration. It sounds like you're all sorted on the engine but let me suggest something you might want to try. If you can go to a local club event and get a ride in a 1750 or better yet see if someone will let you drive theirs. This is definately not an engine that you have to rev the crap out of. It drives well and easy in stop and go traffic. No one likes stop and go or frequent lights but the 1750 will be no different than the 2L in these situations.

It sounds like you have made up your mind but I mention this because of my experience with modifications. My 3-4 day a week driver(can't quite call it a daily) is also 1969 1750gtv and I started by doing various mods to replace worn out parts. As time went by and I got familiar with the car I started to realize that the original parts were actually better. This was especially true with headers/exhaust system but I could go on and on about others stuff as well. This was really quite a revalation as my other classics (BMW 2002,mini,etc) needed the mods to compete with modern traffic and were major improvements over what came on the car originally. Alfas and in particular the GTV doesn't suffer from these problems as it was very well designed. In fact the GTV is far more comfortable, relaxing, and easier on the body on long trips than my 1998 BMW. Amazing but true, my Girlfriend often requests that we drive the Alfa on long trips because of the comfort factor. It also gets better mileage!! But I digress the point I'm trying to make is that these cars don't really need modifications to be fun and easy going drivers unlike most classics. You will be much happier if you try to stick with original parts. Regardless these cars are a blast and I'd like to say welcome to the Alfa cult.
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Old 07-04-2007, 04:17 PM
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Gentlemen please play nice...

FMD159 - it's your car, do with it what you want.......

Phil he's not destroying the car by changing the colour and throwing in a 2ltr donk, he's still restoring it....
better to have another rust free drivable Alfa back on the road than to have an original one gathering dust and rusting away in a back yard never to be seen again.

I am also fitting a 2ltr into my 1750 as I'm chasing a few additional ponies for a bit of track time....

The Alfa community is made up of a heap of different enthusiasts.... some are sticklers for originality, others love the lines and driveability of the cars but like to make a few subtle mods to suit their tastes...

Both are welcome
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Old 07-04-2007, 04:52 PM
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Thanks gentlemen as we would like to be known....appreciate the recent feedback...its refreshing to get real educated and meaningful information again....and I hope the "girl talk" has gone...(apologies to all the intelligent women out there) ...Regarding the parts comment from series1GTV...yes I will be using original parts..including tasteful mods that were endorsed by Alfa Romeo as intended...this is paramount....

Please find attached a sample of my inventory spread sheet for my vehicle....in preparation for restoartion....the mechanical components are hand written notes and I will get around to merging this information some day.....

Would anyone have anything similar, like a template that can be adopted for this kind of thing.... ???

Ive tried to break it down by category....does anyone see anything obvious on this list I may have missed????
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:12 PM
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Will you two cut the crap please!

Reading this thread is like watching a train crash. I can't look away, but I don't like what I see either.

I read this BB because I enjoy it, but this thread is p!$$ing me off! Especially now it's resorted to infantile self-aggrandising and name calling.

Phil, it's his car. He can do what he likes and you can't stop him, so leave him to it. It's as simple as that.

FMD (I don't know your real name) it's your car so do what you like with it.
You seem to understand that you're in the realm of Alfa enthusiasts and experts alike, and therefore many of them will have strong opinions when it comes to anything Alfa.
Don't take those opinions personally. But DO expect brickbats when you start telling them that you're going to take a car the love and transform it into a boy-racer.

I am by no means an originality fanatic. Originality nazi's would hate my car. I love mods. I do mods - within justifiable reason.
I would love to take one of my 105's and drop in a hot-modded TS engine and go mechanically nuts a la’ the Alfaholics car.

Admittedly though, some of your ideas are ludicrous... Metallic Ochre??? Crikey! Pimp-my-Alfa!! - Did you find a stash of something else left over from the Sixties hidden in that car?
But then... Oh boy, another red 105 - woohoo, yippee, oh wait... *yawn*.
British Racing Green - You’re not inspiring me here!
Swapping a 1750 motor for a 2000 - umm... pointless! Mate, I don’t care what your experts tell you. I'm an expert too, and I'm telling you the engine swap is a waste of time and money, period!

Despite appearances to the contrary, I don't fully agree with Phil's point of view. I have completely different motivations.
I think James offers the voice of reason. In whatever form, it's certainly preferable that another car find it's way back from the Abyss rather than down it.

I'm looking at the engine swap question from a practical point of view, and it doesn't make sense to me.
Now, if you said you were dropping in a 2L TS lump from a Alfa 75 I could understand the nett benefit and power gains versus the effort and the cost, and I would actually say go for it and direct you to some resources to help you out! Send me the plans afterwards so I can avoid some mistakes when I get around to the same job.
As for the paint, you already know that I like that colour. Throw a set of Momo Vega’s on and I LOVE that colour! But colour is a matter of personal choice, and I can understand that you don’t like it.

I agree with you on one point FMD - it's your car, and it's your time and money. From experience, I can say you'll need a good supply of both. hehe.

As for the spreadsheet, the most obvious thing you’ve missed with that is the delete key. My one and only tip would be to ditch it. Project manager or not, if you try to estimate what this will cost you you'll be wrong. If you count what it costs you by the time you finish (time, effort and money wise), you'll cry. This is an Alfa, you can forget logic - they don't mix!

These are just my opinions; I am entitled to them just as much as you are to yours. I won't try to talk you out of your plans. I am just offering my feedback as you asked.
Generally you seem to take criticism well and (recent name calling excepted) generally you seem to respond diplomatically.
I hope you will sit down and re-think at least some of your ideas over a few weeks before you proceed.

Criticism aside, I personally wish you best of luck with your project and hope it turns out well. I'm sure you will be happy with the result. However I’m also sure this won’t end here. Be prepared for much more... umm... advice from other BB members


Cheers,
-Col-

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What is it with you guys in QLD...?

Hardly a "Boy-Racer" converstion..thats pretty radical....

I'm simply changing one Alfa Classic Color for another Alfa Classic Color at present considering - AR-209 "Verde Muschio" which is the color the Giulia Super of that same era were painted...and in my opinion a more palatable color.

Regarding the engine, from an engineering perspective we have our reasons and differences....the pros and cons, I'm simply storing the 1750 to preserve it and putting another Alfa Classic Engine 2litre with some subtle and respectable modifications...considered to be sensible as a daily drive vehicle.

My main aim for this thread was to harness some educated and meaningful suggestions and opinions rather than pitching the the information to try an categorize owners of these types of vehicles. I guess I don't like being put into the suggested radical "Boy Racer" type category of Alfa Owners...because I consider myself to be sensitive and a purist to the historical and classical aspects of this mark...but with a subtle twist for tasteful mods and improvements that I would assume any Alfa Romeo engineer would aspire to work toward.

I have grown up around these cars....my father was a mechanic and cut his trade working with Alfa Romeo engineering "back in the day in the old country" before coming out here...I have driven nothing but Alfa Romeo from the Giulia Super, to the 74 Alfetta 1.8 litre - to the later model 2 litre Alfetta's, to the Alfa 90, to the Alfa 156 and presently to the Alfa 159....I put up with all the abuse from those who didnt understand these cars.....so Ive earned my stripes.....
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:28 PM
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I have grown up around these cars....my father was a mechanic and cut his trade working with Alfa Romeo engineering "back in the day in the old country" before coming out here...I have driven nothing but Alfa Romeo from the Giulia Super, to the 74 Alfetta 1.8 litre - to the later model 2 litre Alfetta's, to the Alfa 90, to the Alfa 156 and presently to the Alfa 159....I put up with all the abuse from those who didnt understand these cars.....so Ive earned my stripes.....
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Ok, we'll accept your bonifides. But, please understand, this is the A-L-F-A-BB and you did ask for some opinions . . . So, here's a couple more. You may have already decided on the 2L swap and, if so, go for it. However, there are some interesting threads on the forum which discuss the actual hp differences between the 1750 motor and the 2L motor. The 2L's really aren't a lot more powerful than the 1750. I drove a 1750 for years as a daily driver and the only real advantage is the 2L's fatter torque curve. But, torque in an Alfa is an oxymoron, anyway!

Basically, it looks like Alfa cooked the hp numbers a bit. Which brings me to my real point. If you've got the car apart and you are planning a engine swap I'd suggest that you give some thought to slipping in a Twin Spark motor out of a '75. They are avaliable in OZ for not much money, I understand, and w/motronic installed make a very satisfying imporvement on the old Nord motor. You get modern fi. 150hp, and great milage for not a lot of money. (You can even build one of Alfaholics' 198hp screamers in the privacy of your own gragrage in just a few short weekends!) The install has some hurdles to overcome, but it's been done enough times that it's becoming fairly comon. As long as you are changing motors, that's a lot more bang for the buck. I'll bet if you look around, you can even find a ts gtv to drive.

Again, good luck!
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:15 PM
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Hardly a "Boy-Racer" converstion...
You've taken me in the wrong context here. I had in mind a few of your less "palatable" or tasteful suggestions. I wasn't summing up your whole project with that label. The overall idea is fine, if not awe-inspiring.

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Regarding the engine...
Like I said, what you do is your choice. I know that's stating the obvious. I actually did not mean this in a sarcastic way.
I only questioned the gains to be made for the effort... at least with your particular engine choice.

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My main aim for this thread was to harness some educated and meaningful suggestions and opinions...
And you got exactly that. You just didn't like some of the opinions. That's fair, neither did I. Unfortunately it seems to have become personal.
With your Italian heritage I would have thought you'd be more accustomed to emotional debate. We share this in common by the way.

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What is it with you guys in QLD...?
This has exactly what relevance?
I'm going to be very understanding here and take this rather immature comment with the possibility that you've mistaken the context or intention of some of my comments. To be honest I find it a strange reaction given the main intention of my last post was constructive criticism - which is what you requested, isn't it?
Must I agree fully with your ideas or remain quiet?
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not at all.....on the contrary, you have me in the wrong context here......its an Italian thing....you know, the QLD comment is intended around the same kind of ribbing between the northern and southern italians....north QLD; south Melb...where Im from...
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:08 PM
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Hi guys. Been following this with fascination. My two cents: I personally prefer originality for the experience of it. It feels right and lets me know what it was like to drive these cars in period. Later buyers can always fix whatever you do, so do what you want (but save that 1750 lest it fall into an eternity of frankenzilla carhood). But I think you'll be happier doing it right, which is to say original. I'm speaking of your happiness, not the car's, about which I care but its your car.
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