1969 GTV 1750 restoration

[rafael]

2000 have more tork/power than 1750. The difference is that the first were according to DIN, and the second according to SAE.

SAE is measured on the engine without fan etc; DIN is measured in a real car at the wheels (if I remember correctly).

[105.31]

ThreeAlfas,
Nobody would be able to pay me anywhere near the amount that is going into this car. Until GTJ's hit the US$40k mark, this one will be sitting here with me, getting the arse driven off of it (when it is finished).
I don't agree that original cars are always worth keeping original. Perhaps I am a lost cause A 'mongrel' of a car with certified history is worth infinitely more than an original car with no history. I'm after a driver, that will last as long as I do (another 60 years I hope!!). Perhaps that is why I joined Scuderia Non Originale
All I'm saying is that none of us have the right to impose our 'standards' on somebody elses car. If you feel that strongly about it, buy this car off the gentleman, and give him a restored 1750 that has had extensive repairs/mods done to it. Otherwise let him get on with whatever he wants to do.
No matter what you decide FMD159, I'll support your decisions, and hopefully others will too.

[PSk]

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Originally Posted by 105.31 All I'm saying is that none of us have the right to impose our 'standards' on somebody elses car. No matter what you decide FMD159, I'll support your decisions, and hopefully others will too.

[Threealfas]

[quote=105.31;387902 A 'mongrel' of a car with certified history is worth infinitely more than an original car with no history. [/QUOTE]

True up to a point, but I wasn't aware that any of the cars in this particular debate had a certified history. Explain.

[180OUT]

Hi, FMD159.

I've just spent an enjoyable afternoon with a large mug of Bustello coffee reading through the comments here. First of all, congratulations on getting your Alfa. It sounds like a very interesting car. You are fortunate to have very knowledgable bunch of Alfa enthusiasts in OZ. That can make owning an Alfa a lot more fun.

There's a lot of good advice here and so I'll try not to repeat anything that's already been said. I'd like to make a couple of suggestions, however.

First of all, whatever you do, just wait a bit. Get to know some of the people in the Alfa community, go see some cars, talk to people working on building cars. Once you do this you'll be surprised at how different you think about your car.

Re: the motor change. The motor in your car is, in all respects, a much more enjoyable motor to drive than the 2L motor you want to replace it with. It's a far more responsive motor. Also, in day to day driving, a well tuned 1750 GTV will not be left behind a by 2.0 GTV. You may be a little behind in places but, trust me, you'll be having a far better ride despite that. The 1750 GTV is generally regarded by most authorities as the best of all the various iterations of GTV. Period.

Having said this, I am also a firm believer in "period modifications". Alfa has a long and storied history of building factory hot-rods. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with making changes that are in the spirit of the kinds of things the factory guys and various tuners were doing in period. For instance, my car is going to get a Alfa close ratio gear box, 4:56 LSD, and a much modified 2.0 motor. I realise this is heresy to originality advocates, but it's the kind of car I've wanted to build for a long time. I don't plan to do anything to the car (fender flares, etc.) that can't be put back to original with relative ease. All the 1750 specific parts (like the motor, etc.) are going to be carefully identified and stored so that they can be passed on to the next owner to use in the car's restoration.

But the bottom line is this: the car is yours, you can do what you please with it. But, please keep in mind that you are definitely "preachin' to the choir" here.

I recommend that you do the following. 1. Get the car running, 2. Fix the brakes, 3. Get it clean inside and out, 4. Spend a couple of days compounding the paint. Alfa's original factory paint is enamel and is quite durable---even after 20 years. You can even lightly sand it with fine grade paper and then compound the surface. You may find that the color is quite fitting for the car.

In general, however, get the know the car and get to know the people who like these cars. The learning cruve isn't that steep and, judging from the people who post here from OZ, they're a pretty good bunch of folks.

Good luck.

[FMD159]

gentlemen, it seems i have stirred up some serious debate here and i think its fantastic being a newbie to AlfaBB...it feels great to be part of a community that has a real love for these cars...and there are obviously different ways we can love them....yes I have asked opinions and very feedback from both parties is much appreciated.....

I am decifing to do the following:

1. Im sticking a 2000 in with modified cams and high compression piston kit (and whatever small "smart" alfa mods can be done for the daily driver with good taste) and and putting 1750 on the shelf.....

2. I will not go original colour...im tossing up between alfa paint code AR-209 Verde Muschio - which is what the Giulia Super of that period 1968/69 where painted OR AR-504 (c-9068) Rosso Montecatini the Red of the same period (66-69)...

Thanks again....any more opinions or comments are much welcome

[papajam]

Best of luck with the car and please, POST SOME PICS!

[Threealfas]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 180OUT Hi, FMD159. I've just spent an enjoyable afternoon with a large mug of Bustello coffee reading through the comments here. First of all, congratulations on getting your Alfa. It sounds like a very interesting car. You are fortunate to have very knowledgable bunch of Alfa enthusiasts in OZ. That can make owning an Alfa a lot more fun. There's a lot of good advice here and so I'll try not to repeat anything that's already been said. I'd like to make a couple of suggestions, however. First of all, whatever you do, just wait a bit. Get to know some of the people in the Alfa community, go see some cars, talk to people working on building cars. Once you do this you'll be surprised at how different you think about your car. Re: the motor change. The motor in your car is, in all respects, a much more enjoyable motor to drive than the 2L motor you want to replace it with. It's a far more responsive motor. Also, in day to day driving, a well tuned 1750 GTV will not be left behind a by 2.0 GTV. You may be a little behind in places but, trust me, you'll be having a far better ride despite that. The 1750 GTV is generally regarded by most authorities as the best of all the various iterations of GTV. Period. Having said this, I am also a firm believer in "period modifications". Alfa has a long and storied history of building factory hot-rods. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with making changes that are in the spirit of the kinds of things the factory guys and various tuners were doing in period. For instance, my car is going to get a Alfa close ratio gear box, 4:56 LSD, and a much modified 2.0 motor. I realise this is heresy to originality advocates, but it's the kind of car I've wanted to build for a long time. I don't plan to do anything to the car (fender flares, etc.) that can't be put back to original with relative ease. All the 1750 specific parts (like the motor, etc.) are going to be carefully identified and stored so that they can be passed on to the next owner to use in the car's restoration. But the bottom line is this: the car is yours, you can do what you please with it. But, please keep in mind that you are definitely "preachin' to the choir" here. I recommend that you do the following. 1. Get the car running, 2. Fix the brakes, 3. Get it clean inside and out, 4. Spend a couple of days compounding the paint. Alfa's original factory paint is enamel and is quite durable---even after 20 years. You can even lightly sand it with fine grade paper and then compound the surface. You may find that the color is quite fitting for the car. In general, however, get the know the car and get to know the people who like these cars. The learning cruve isn't that steep and, judging from the people who post here from OZ, they're a pretty good bunch of folks. Good luck.

[105.31]

OOoooo AR-209. Yummy. I needed a 3 sided coin when I was deciding colours. Verde Muschio, French Blue, and Anthracite. French Blue won in the end.
Can't find a reference to AR-504 on the colour charts in the Restoration thread. Where does it fit in the line up of other Alfa reds??
And to echo papajam. Photos please!!!!!

Cheers

[FMD159]

hey Mr threealfas....dont be so bl##dy dramatic.....firstly I'm not dropping the 1750 I'm storing it...for a daily drive the 2000 is a better option. This opinion comes from a very qualified resource with over 40 years experience.....secondly, I simply do not like the Giallo Ochre color no matter how hard I try...and I don't think that you will loose on resale that much if the color was not the original..I am going with an original Alfa color of the same era though......if it was a Ferrari.....then the resale factor would be a more valid consideration.....if your so damm passionate about it...make me an offer and come and save it!! I will charge you a premium for it....

I simply asked for constructive and educated opinions and don't appreciate the "deaf ears" comment!

Cheers Frank.

[180OUT]

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I simply do not like the Giallo Ochre color no matter how hard I try...and I don't think that you will loose on resale that much if the color was not the original

[FMD159]

thank you ...i currently have the car stripped to nthe shelll. it will be mounted on a rotissery and spray properly inside and out....top and underneath....the whole body and paint work is costing me $13,000.00 AUD and therefore I would expect it to be done properly....

Question...the black stuff / sound deadner underneath (under-carriage), would the colour be behind this also by any chance?

[PSk]

There is another yellow that Alfa Romeo used that is completely horrible (IMO ), a faint colour. I wonder if this car is actually that colour ... and yeah repaint it.

Anyway enjoy your restoration.
Pete
ps: Personally don't think you would notice the difference between engines on the street, but yep the 2000 is probably easier to get parts for.

[105.31]

There 'should' be paint under the sound deadener. There was on my car anyway.
13k!! I've been quoted that just for the paint work, body work on top (and even more than the paint job). Mind you, the body is shagged on my car.
Any pics of the bare body?? If you want to give yourself a fright, have a look at my cars thread in here, then you'll see what a butchered body looks like!!

70 GTJr, The Saga Continues!!!

[Threealfas]

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Originally Posted by FMD159 Question...the black stuff / sound deadner underneath (under-carriage), would the colour be behind this also by any chance?