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An Alfista could tell the difference between engines in a nanosecond; the 2l has a spin on oil filter, the 1750 doesn't.
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07-02-2007, 06:27 PM
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I don't think very much of this ? Sorry but,
PLEASE DON"T go changing a series1 Giallo Ochre 1750 to boring old predictible, lets be like everyone else and paint it resale no imagination RED 
Ps there is nothing wrong with a 1750 engine, it is actually a more torquey free reving engine than its two litre equivalent and doesn't give the head gasket trouble that the 2000 did. I would tweak the 1750 engine before I resorted to switching it |
1750 engines are happier engines which for the street is all you need, and the Giallo Ochre is one of the top 3 best colours on a 105 series Alfa.
Pete
ps: Ofcourse the series 2 1750s are better   ... though 
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07-02-2007, 06:30 PM
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Alfa means passion and all you guys have certainly shown that...I am overwhelmed by the feedback and support by all of you....
I am restoring with a primary objective in mind: I want it drive it as an every day and not have to rev the crap out of it...take passengers etc and I feel that the 2000 would be better option in this case.
For the sake of originality...well Ill keep the 1750 in storage....
Regarding colours...yes I have seen photos of the car in Giallo Ochre and yes I am considering it....only for the sake of originality.....but for some reason the British Racing green colors seem to always attract me and catch my eye as well..
Im going to the spray painter now to have a chat and thank you again.....
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07-02-2007, 06:30 PM
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Don't be so reserved, Pete!
Tell us what you really think.
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07-02-2007, 06:42 PM
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FMD, mate I am in exactly the same boat as you engine wise.
I too was toying with the idea of the 2ltr TS, however I have descided to rebuild the 1750 engine and run that for a period of time untill I can find a good TS engine and build that up to be a rocket. However at the mo funds are very short so the 1750 will do for now and will be good to have around for resale purposes.
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07-02-2007, 06:51 PM
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Giallo Ochre is one of the top 3 best colours on a 105 series Alfa.
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1961 MGA 1600 Roadster, British Racing Green
1966 Giulia Sprint GT ,Argento
1970 1750 GTV s2, Verde Olivo Metallica (AR213)
2005 Holden Rodeo LT Crew Cab, Fox Fire Red
{Oo==V==oO}
Previously owned
1983 Ford Laser KB, Beige
1985 Volvo 360 GLT Dark Mettalic Blue
1970 GT Junior stepnose Resprayed Red, Giallo Ochre
1923 Amilcar Sports, rusty
I may only own two ALFAs now, but the handle stays as I am always chasing another one.
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07-02-2007, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FMD159
Alfa means passion and all you guys have certainly shown that...I am overwhelmed by the feedback and support by all of you....
I am restoring with a primary objective in mind: I want it drive it as an every day and not have to rev the crap out of it...take passengers etc and I feel that the 2000 would be better option in this case.
For the sake of originality...well Ill keep the 1750 in storage....
Regarding colours...yes I have seen photos of the car in Giallo Ochre and yes I am considering it....only for the sake of originality.....but for some reason the British Racing green colors seem to always attract me and catch my eye as well..
Im going to the spray painter now to have a chat and thank you again.....
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There are plenty of pre-butchered 1750's around that you could do this to. Please don't FANNY about with a good original car, you will hate yourself for it later and the next owner will curse you too.
I think we are going to have to confiscate this car for its own protection if you are going to do things like this. Leave it alone and original please!!
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1961 MGA 1600 Roadster, British Racing Green
1966 Giulia Sprint GT ,Argento
1970 1750 GTV s2, Verde Olivo Metallica (AR213)
2005 Holden Rodeo LT Crew Cab, Fox Fire Red
{Oo==V==oO}
Previously owned
1983 Ford Laser KB, Beige
1985 Volvo 360 GLT Dark Mettalic Blue
1970 GT Junior stepnose Resprayed Red, Giallo Ochre
1923 Amilcar Sports, rusty
I may only own two ALFAs now, but the handle stays as I am always chasing another one.
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07-02-2007, 07:03 PM
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I prefer the 1750 engine but there is some logic in dropping a 2L in as a daily driver. That way you save the 1750 for the day you decide you want restore it (or sell it). 2L's are a dime a dozen compared to the 1750 and they are much easier (cheaper) to modify. But the hotter the mods the lower the reliability - kinda important when it's a daily driver...
BTW, there has been a lot of cam development on these engines. You might want to engage some of the cam gurus/historians on the forum.
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07-02-2007, 07:32 PM
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Pete IYHO what are the other two colours ?
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Red (the lighter red is better)
and French blue
... Oops that is 4 colours  , including ofcourse Giallo Ochre the best of them all
Pete
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07-02-2007, 09:10 PM
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When I first bought my car the first thing I wanted to do was paint it a different colour from Giallo Ochre....
I was thinking Black or Gunmetal grey....
My old man insisted that when the paint was good, this colour looked great.
This was one occasion where I am VERY glad I listened and kept the original colour.
Whilst these cars do look great in a variety of different colours, Giallo Ochre seems to highlight the lines and is very period correct...
The colour looks great and as a bonus isn't very common.
Turn up to any Alfa club days and there'll be fewer Giallo Ochre cars .....
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I am restoring with a primary objective in mind: I want it drive it as an every day and not have to rev the crap out of it...take passengers etc and I feel that the 2000 would be better option in this case.
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I am faced with the same issue, I would love to hot rod the heck out of my car to make it almost keep up with my other car, however, in the long run it would be the dumbest thing I could do. Honestly for what I want I'd be better off with a later 2L car, however the rare factor keeps my car in the garage for the long run. Infact I'm trying to keep mine as unrestored as possible.
Its all worth it when a hot chick driving a brand new Ferrari F430 spider rolls up next to you on the freeway and gives you the thumbs up. No joke, happened about an hour ago.
Will
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07-02-2007, 09:57 PM
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White (yep strange isn't it but 1750's look great in white),
Red (the lighter red is better)
and French blue
... Oops that is 4 colours , including ofcourse Giallo Ochre the best of them all
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Your didn't mention Olive Green Metallic as you so rarely see this colour, so I forgive you.
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1961 MGA 1600 Roadster, British Racing Green
1966 Giulia Sprint GT ,Argento
1970 1750 GTV s2, Verde Olivo Metallica (AR213)
2005 Holden Rodeo LT Crew Cab, Fox Fire Red
{Oo==V==oO}
Previously owned
1983 Ford Laser KB, Beige
1985 Volvo 360 GLT Dark Mettalic Blue
1970 GT Junior stepnose Resprayed Red, Giallo Ochre
1923 Amilcar Sports, rusty
I may only own two ALFAs now, but the handle stays as I am always chasing another one.
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I'm reminded of an older gentleman who owned a Spitfire (aeroplane, not car). He announced one day that he was going to paint it pink. You should have heard the abuse the poor guy received.
His parting shot was something like "It's my b  y aeroplane!! When you have your own Spitfire, you can paint it any f ing colour you want!!"
Or words to that effect.
I have what was once a Yellow Ochre GTJ (1969). When I bought it, it was a metallic burgundy. It is now going through a full resto, and will come out painted French Blue, with a 1750 Mk1 Zagato interior (it came with it) and a 1600 engine (came with that too). I'm going with a dual master cylinder unboosted brake system with a balance bar for proportion control, and Willwood hanging pedals (instead of standing pedals). Electrics are being totally redone, and all fuses and relays will be in a drop down panel under the glovebox.
My brief to the guy doing my car was that I wanted it to be a sleeper. From the outside, I want it to look like a stock GTJ, except for the Momo Vegas. On the inside, and under the shell, I want it modernised where possible to take advantage of improvements made over the last 40 odd years, to improve reliability and driveability.
I must admit that the only body panels I'm keeping are the firewall/engine bay, and the roof. Everything else was rotten/damaged beyond all recognition, but in the end it is your car, do with it what YOU want.
The question of originality can be taken to the N th degree. How many people are running cross ply tyres? How many used the original type of wiring when they re-wired their car, with the original wire markings and wax string? Originality is all a matter of perception. I'd rather have a car that I enjoy, and grow old with, and hopefully that is what I will have after my car is finished.
Do what YOU think is best for YOUR car, afterall, you are the only person who has to live with the decisions you make about how you restore it.
Think about what you want to get out of the car. Concours, competition, daily driver? Original Concours cars are usually trailered to competitions. Me, I believe cars are for driving, hard. So that affects what I do to my car.
Have a look at other Alfas around you. See what they have done. See what you like and don't like. Heck, many Alfas were modified on the production line before they were finished because they ran out of one part or another. Do you rebuild it how it was supposed to be, or how it really was??
It's all up to you. No matter what you decide, some will like what you do, others won't. That is just how it is 
If you want to modify and be accepted, come join us on the Darkside at Scuderia Non Originale But be warned, nobody there will tell you what not to do!!
Just my 2 cents. Enjoy your car, whatever you decide. Afterall, you bought it to enjoy it!!
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I have what was once a Yellow Ochre GTJ (1969). When I bought it, it was a metallic burgundy. It is now going through a full resto, and will come out painted French Blue, with a 1750 Mk1 Zagato interior (it came with it) and a 1600 engine (came with that too). I'm going with a dual master cylinder unboosted brake system with a balance bar for proportion control, and Willwood hanging pedals (instead of standing pedals). Electrics are being totally redone, and all fuses and relays will be in a drop down panel under the glovebox.
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At the end of the day if this 1750 is restored well and kept original it will be worth a premium.
105.31
Your car might end up looking ok, but no alfa enthusiast worth his salt is going to pay you what you want for your car and all he will see is how much is this going to cost him to bring back to original. I am sorry but the way values are now going on these cars there is no room for Specials or bitsas amongst non racegoing 105's.
[/quote]Enjoy your car, whatever you decide. Afterall, you bought it to enjoy it!![/quote]
Yes we might own these cars, but in reality we are simply the custodian of them for the present. I know that I would not be terribly happy if one of the PO's of my car had made any of the above modifications, but then again I would never by a car like that.
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1961 MGA 1600 Roadster, British Racing Green
1966 Giulia Sprint GT ,Argento
1970 1750 GTV s2, Verde Olivo Metallica (AR213)
2005 Holden Rodeo LT Crew Cab, Fox Fire Red
{Oo==V==oO}
Previously owned
1983 Ford Laser KB, Beige
1985 Volvo 360 GLT Dark Mettalic Blue
1970 GT Junior stepnose Resprayed Red, Giallo Ochre
1923 Amilcar Sports, rusty
I may only own two ALFAs now, but the handle stays as I am always chasing another one. | | |
