1969 GTV 1750 restoration

[giulia_veloce]

Hey again Phil.
The 1750 revs better than the 2 litre but the 2 litre has more torque(pulling power).We are talking about standard engines here.

robert

[BlpltGTV]

While I don't really like the Giallo Ochre color, if you happen to have a 105.51, you have a rare car. There were only 640 built, so just based on that, its worth keeping correct. The 1750 isn't a bad engine, it does get good mileage, and goes ok. A freshly rebuilt one might go better than mine (mine sat for 30 years, but still doesn't leak) but they go ok. I'd say you could get away with doing some suspension work, and other stuff that could be undone in a weekend without anyone knowing the better would be good. Thats what I'm doing with mine, however I'm also trying to keep it as original as possible. I'm also going to install a set of panasports, but beyond that I'm not going to do anything.

Do what you want, but I have found that a really correct car gets lots of attention, even if it isn't perfect. I understand the wish to build the car you really want, but keeping a 105.51 correct will be worth it in the long run.

just my $.02

Will

[Threealfas]

I know papjam is going to have an interesting opinion on this when he logs on.

[Colin P]

I'm with ya' Phil. Giallo Ochre is a very cool colour. Second only to Bluette

There's a particular Giallo Ochre 1750 kicking around Brisbane wearing a set of Momo wheels, and even though the paint is a bit aged it's looks fantastic! Why would you want to change it?!

Back to FMD's original question on the steering wheel badge...
I bought one of the pictured badges from Classic Alfa as well. This is a self-adhesive badge, but the original is set in with some contact adhesive. Removal is simple - Get a sharp tipped knife, and use the tip to lift the old one out of the wheel centre. The contact adhesive will break away from the back of the badge and keep some of the silver paint from the old badge with it. Scrape all this out as well and stick in your new badge. This took me about 2 minutes to type, but only about 20 seconds to do.

Then, (and this bit is important, so read carefully)...
A Giallo Ochre 105 is a chick magnet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT paint your car any other colour!

[FMD159]

Gentlemen....I wish to thank you for your passionate responses, much appreciated and seriously considering your advice understandibly...I guess this colour just put me off because the current paintwork has deteriorated considerably...I guess I could warm to it if there was a good example of a freshly finished one in this colour.....maybe a metallica variation???

are there any good examples...of pics on the internet of this colour done on a coupe anywhere...

im married so the chick magnet is now biggie...but I definitely want style....!!!

[FMD159]

colin....thanks for the advice on the steering badge...I have done this now and yes it popped off quite nicely...but surely there is somewhere local (australia) to purchase the badge from??? How much did it set you back once converting from pounds to AUD (including freight).....I recently did the numbers and it didnt seem very cost effective.....

[Threealfas]

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Originally Posted by FMD159 Gentlemen....I wish to thank you for your passionate responses, much appreciated and seriously considering your advice understandibly...I guess this colour just put me off because the current paintwork has deteriorated considerably...I guess I could warm to it if there was a good example of a freshly finished one in this colour.....maybe a metallica variation??? are there any good examples...of pics on the internet of this colour done on a coupe anywhere... im married so the chick magnet is now biggie...but I definitely want style....!!!

[Colin P]

There are a few places to buy 105 parts from in OZ, but they charge like wounded bulls! Many secondhand items here are more expensive than new stuff from the UK.

I could mention some local names here who gouge prices, but I occasionally require their services so I won't.

So if I need/want something new I buy it from overseas. I shop around and do my math first, but most (not all) 105 parts are definitely cheaper from offshore.

For example, I can get a Milano badge (plastic) from Classic Alfa for about the equivalent of AUD25.00. If I buy new from any of the local parts suppliers, I would pay from $60 to $75 for the same badge.
I never buy just one part though. I always wait until I need at least a handfull of items to save on postage.

When my car was badly damaged in an accident, sourcing second-hand parts such as tail lights and badges etc; from local suppliers was much more expensive than importing new parts from the UK. Unbelievable, but true!
So I brought in the new parts of course, and I continue to do so. Doing it this way has saved me well over $1000 in total and I have new gear.

And yes I include the freight in my calculations, as I do the ridiculous 15.5% taxes and customs duty we have to pay for imported items. (5% customs duty, and 10% GST compounded on top of that.) We're not supposed to pay the 5% duty for parts for cars over 30 years old, but sometimes it's not worth the trouble of arguing. It depends on the amount. Unfortunately, many OZ customs officers don't know this until it is pointed out to them.

Here are some links to pics of cars in your colour. There would be more in the Post a Pic of your Alfa section of the BB.
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/show...hre#post384533

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/show...hre#post298584

Glad to be of help with the badge.

Cheers,
-Col-

[FMD159]

Colin / Phil thanks for your advice and feedback today...I am slowly warming to this color and can understand that I should keep it original..

what about then engine though I was thinking of going 2000 as opposed to 1750....from originality perspective its not good but there really isn't much difference visually apart from the mechanical capacity which you cannot see, between the two engines...you could sell it as a 1750...majiority would not know the difference...!

Do you see the benefit of going to the 2000.....? I was told from an engineering colleague whom has been working and racing Alfa for 40+ years that the 2000 provides more torque and would be better suited as a daily drive......what do you think?

The vehicle I am working on has been under a blanket in a workshop for a good part of 20years....it is straight as an arrow with minimal rust spots....I doubt you would know this vehicle...prior to this my father owned it for a period of time and he cant even remember how long!!!

[FMD159]

back to the paint...original spec of the Giallo Ochre...how about in a metallic finish?

[GTD]

You don't need any gimmicks with Giallo Ochre...metallic or otherwise.

[AndrewO]

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Originally Posted by FMD159 what about then engine though I was thinking of going 2000 as opposed to 1750....from originality perspective its not good but there really isn't much difference visually apart from the mechanical capacity which you cannot see, between the two engines...you could sell it as a 1750...majiority would not know the difference...! Do you see the benefit of going to the 2000.....? I was told from an engineering colleague whom has been working and racing Alfa for 40+ years that the 2000 provides more torque and would be better suited as a daily drive......what do you think?

[series1gtv]

No one has said it yet so I guess I will. The 1750 is a better engine period! I really think you may be wrong about people not knowing that its a 2 Liter engine as opposed to a 1750. There are actually alot of visual differences that to the average GTV enthusiast will be noticable immediately. How likely is someone who knows nothing about alfas going to buy an old one. It happens but not often. Anyway my .02 cents enjoy your car but I would put some serious thought into the color change. Giallo Ochre is great. Your going to love driving it no matter the engine or color so don't take things too serious either.

[Threealfas]

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Originally Posted by FMD159 but there really isn't much difference visually apart from the mechanical capacity which you cannot see, between the two engines...you could sell it as a 1750...majiority would not know the difference...!

[papajam]

Lots of great feedback in this post! The only thing not touched on is the valve seats. And it's quite simple. Alfa valve seats are already hardened so nothing needs to be done. US Alfa owners have been using unleaded fuel for 30 years with no ill effects (exept perhaps for the drop in octane over the years ).

An Alfista could tell the difference between engines in a nanosecond; the 2l has a spin on oil filter, the 1750 doesn't.