Beter to restore 71-74 2000 or 1750???? - Page 4

Threealfas · #46 (**permalink**) 02-21-2004, 08:56 PM

I am just not big on 2000's . I am sure they have their virtues, but for me personally it's always been a 1750 or nothing. Asthetics to me is just as important as performance and frankly the styling changes that occurred on the 2000 were not to my taste in comparison to the all round sophisticated styling of the 1750's. And the improvement in performance against the styling drawbacks of the 2000 relative to the 1750 is enough for me not to want one. I know a lot of people who agree on this.

The classic car journals do consistantly point to the 1750 over the 2000 as the model to have time and time again. Emperically I saw this for myself when I lived in the UK and tried to track a 1750, a very hard thing to do. Over the same period of time I could have easily found a very good 2000 for a lot less cash. Everyone was chasing a 1750!! The same applies here in Australia, just try finding a good 1750 for sale, versus the number of 2000s that come up all the time.

Zinhead, I don't put a lot of stock in price guides. I find them to be wildly inaccurate and usually out of date. I go by what the market tells me things that I can see and observe for myself.

**Alex Csank** · #47 (**permalink**) 02-21-2004, 09:03 PM

Phil,

I think I understand now. UK and Australia seem to have a 'hard on' for 1750s. OK, I can dig it...but it would appear that many folks in other countries like both the early cars and the 2000s, as they really are trading at roughly equal value.

Most recent examples that I actually know of:

71 1750 (Fair Cond.) - $4000 (USD)

68 1300 Jr. (Good Cond.) - $9000 (USD)

74 2000 (Good Cond.) - $11000 (USD)

69 1750 (God Cond.) - $10000 (USD)

Cheers,

Threealfas · #48 (**permalink**) 02-21-2004, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Alex Csank
Phil,

I think I understand now. UK and Australia seem to have a 'hard on' for 1750s. OK, I can dig it...but it would appear that many folks in other countries like both the early cars and the 2000s, as they really are trading at roughly equal value.

Cheers,

**Roadtrip** · #49 (**permalink**) 02-21-2004, 09:32 PM

Personal experience with head gaskets:

1750 Blown head gasket

2000 Leaking head gasket

Head gaskets? Not a big deal, IMHO.

Personally I like the 1750 engine a little better, but that's a subjective opinion purely.

Storsav · #50 (**permalink**) 02-21-2004, 09:55 PM

Well also in the US, engine displacement has always been given a lot of importance in car design. Drag Racing?? I remember when I told my dad that I'd taken my old Berlina up to about 5500 RPM. Being an old Flathead guy, he thought that was a sin. But then again an old Flathead would be like a 2.2L V8 with the RPMs topping out just above 3000. Fun engines to rebuild though.

I test drove a "pre-owned" Honda S2000 and had the revs up around 6700--very nice. The old car salesman shot me the wickedest glance.

**papajam** · #51 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 05:30 AM

Geez, with all the fireworks about which GTV model is best (1750), it's a good thing no one brought up what color they look best in (white), or the best rubber (A032R), or wheels (BWA Sportstar), oil (GTX 20W-50), shocks (Koni red).........

Uh, oh!! NOW I've done it!

**GTV4EVR** · #52 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by papajam
Geez, with all the fireworks about which GTV model is best (1750), it's a good thing no one brought up what color they look best in (white), or the best rubber (A032R), or wheels (BWA Sportstar), oil (GTX 20W-50), shocks (Koni red).........

Uh, oh!! NOW I've done it!

**Alex Csank** · #53 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 07:10 AM

Hmmm...

Track

Color - 'Gulf Oil Racing Team' Blue with Orange Stripe
Rubber - Hoosier 205/60-14
Wheels - Panasport LW 14 X 7
Oil - Redline
Shocks - Bilstein

Street

Color - Silver
Rubber - Yokohama AVS ES 100 205/60-14
Wheels - Panasport 14 X 7
Oil - Castrol GTX 20W-50
Shocks - Koni (red)

Engines in both? 2000!!

Hey, I may not have the street car yet, but I will get one soon! The track car still needs plenty of work, but that is what she will be like.

Phil - By the way, I am Canadian. I just live in the USA.

Cheers,

#54 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 07:51 AM

WHEELS? the GTA replica's
COLOR White

if your buying a Bertone Coupe to restore, how about a GTA replica?

cor · #55 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by papajam
Geez, with all the fireworks about which GTV model is best (1750), it's a good thing no one brought up what color they look best in (white), or the best rubber (A032R), or wheels (BWA Sportstar), oil (GTX 20W-50), shocks (Koni red).........

Uh, oh!! NOW I've done it!

**Alex Csank** · #56 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 02:09 PM

Well, it looks like we can all agree on only one thing! That is that Castrol GTX 20W-50 is the best oil for our cars.

See? I'm looking for some commonality!

PSk · #57 (**permalink**) 02-22-2004, 04:09 PM

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PSK, what is the trend in NZ ?

**John M** · #58 (**permalink**) 02-23-2004, 01:02 AM

Very cool thread indeed!

Here in the melting pot of all rednecks (KY, USA) where we jump ditches and look for Daisy and Uncle Jessie

, 1750 is considered to be a "hot" motor. Better cams for sure. But also had a problem with cranks. Story has it that the 2L cranks are better as they are hardened...nitrited...something that the 1750 cranks didn't get. And there is a history of 1750 crank failures. No personal experience....just the word from my local Alfa guru. Anyone had a 1750 crank failure? Wonder if that is true or not.

I like all the body styles. I will take one of each! And a Stradale, and any thing that starts with a G, TZ, or SZ!

Best Regards,
John M

Threealfas · #59 (**permalink**) 02-23-2004, 02:40 AM

Actually having said what I have about 2000, I have heard a rumour about a 2000 locally that is sitting in storage for the past 10 years and its resonably cheap. If I had the space I might consider it as a proposition. At least from a good turn around and resell point of view. I will keep you posted and if I don't get it I will endeavour to get some discovery photos .