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Old 11-22-2006, 10:51 AM
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1967 GTV Drivetrain "freshening"

I enjoy reading the stories of guys building up their cars, so I decided to add mine. It's actually a small testimony of how I got "mixed-up" with these cars in the first place. And it probably really shouldn't be called "restoration", since I'm starting with a car that many would consider "restored", but more of a refreshening. While the body is nice, the drivetrain needs to be redone (bushings, bearings, stripping protectant, replacing the engine, etc). I intend to update the thread as regularly as I "update" my car. I'll even try to do a good job of posting pics along the way. I hope y'all enjoy.

Some Background
Growing up, my Dad had a 1974 Alfa Romeo Spider. It was bright red and had a quite a few performance modifications. I only remember driving in it once. Other than that, it just sat due to minor problems like a non-functioning water pump. He used to tell me stories about his old GTV, and how he always regretted selling it (along with his ’56 Ford F100). His close friend had a few GTAs that he raced throughout the 70’s. We used to hang out in his garage looking at and talking about the GTAs, and while I didn’t know it at the time, they made quite an impression on me. I got my license and first car in 1997, an ‘88 Milano Verde. All this to say, I had become quite an Alfa fan. Over the past few years, I began to appreciate “b-sedans”. While 510s and 2002s are quite cool, GTVs has always been my favorite of the old, little Trans-Am racers.

The Car
I started considering which year GTV appealed to me most. I decided that what I liked were the two headlight GTVs, especially in red. There are some other colors that look good and have an added “coolness” due to their rarity, but red looks the best on the Giugiaro body (in the words of 75gta, and probably many others, "Alfas should be red and rear wheel drive"). So I started hunting for a red, two-headlight car with as little rust as possible (a major problem with these cars).

There was, however, a restriction on the project. My wife was gracious enough to agree that I could use whatever funds came from the sale of my 2001 VW GTI, and its spare parts, toward an Alfa and a daily driver. The daily driver turned out to be a ’91 Camry, with 200K on the ticker. After some searching, I found a ’67 GTV in Colorado and purchased it from Centerline Alfa in June 2006. The ’67 Giulia Sprint Veloce arrived in fairly good, original condition, but with a 1750 engine that smoked. It was equipped with Shankle springs and sway bars and Koni red shocks.

The day it arrived (that's not me, it's my boss, wishing it was his )


Things kind of started off on the wrong foot though. As we were still working through the details of the sale, my wife lost her job. It looked as though the proceeds from the VW would best go toward surviving, so I started trying to sell the Alfa. A few weeks later, the car arrived. A few weeks after that, my wife got another job, allowing us to keep the car. I drove it for about a month and then decided to start taking it apart to restore and upgrade different areas.

Here's a pic after I cleaned it up and refinished the original steel wheels.


THE GOAL
1:40 at WSIR. Something my wife doesn't hate. Modified using only “period” performance parts (i.e., no Outlaw brakes, twin sparks, or coil-overs). Can easily switch between “track” look and “street” look (slap on the bumpers and steel wheels). Stick to the budget!

The body and interior (with the exception of the dash) are fine. So this project will focus on the drive train and running gear.

Here We Go

July '06: Sand blasted the oringinal steel wheels and repainted them. Had the bumpers polished to look almost like new (although I really like the look of having them off, so I'm not sure if they'll make it back on). The underside was heavily coated with that black-tar-weather-protectant stuff. They shot it on over everything so I took some parts off and began to clean them with paint thinner. Took off the shankles springs and cut them and cleaned off the konis so they are red again. Here are some pics. First is with the springs uncut. Second is with the springs cut (smestas' car is on the left)





August ’06:
I started by purchasing a 4.10 limited slip diff (more street oriented than track, but it’s a long drive to the track). After taking out the old diff, it seemed like a pretty good time to replace all the bushings with either polyurethane or HD rubber. I took out the over-spray/"mung" covered trailing arms and decided that they should be powder coated… and if I’m going to powder coat those… then I should powder coat all the suspension pieces at the same time, so as to save money... and if I'm gonna have all the suspension off, then all the bushings should be replaced with poly or hd rubber and all the ball joints and bearings too (you can see how easy it is to get carried away and the tab starts adding up). Thus began an even longer process of taking all the suspension off. It was all powder coated in DuPont’s “Black Magic” black, including a set of 14X7 panasports and an autopower roll bar.

October ’06:
I removed the rear seat to accommodate the roll bar. I am in the process of carpeting the back seat area. I attached a small piece of maple over the metal “X” on the vertical portion of the back seat. This would keep the sound deadening material and carpet from sagging through the open areas. I then cut to size and attached (via spray adhesive) sound deadening to the entire rear bench. After that, I covered it with black carpet.

Parts already purchased and waiting to be put on:
2 liter spindles and calipers
4.10 LSD shimmed
Braided brake lines
Adjustable arms (add some camber!!)
Poly castor and trunion bushings
HD rubber trailing arm bushings
Electric fan (hey, 3 hp is huge for these cars!)
Top secret performance brake pads (track capable, street friendly)

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Old 11-22-2006, 11:17 AM
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GTV restoration

Nice car! I've got its twin and raced it until 2004 when I switched to a Miata. The Alfa is now out to stud in the garage and goes out on weekend drives. Good luck with your goal of 1:40 at Willow. My best time was 1:42.1 with a stock 2000cc (102hp). I want a ride when you get to 1:40.
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Old 11-22-2006, 01:59 PM
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Nice car! I've got its twin and raced it until 2004 when I switched to a Miata. The Alfa is now out to stud in the garage and goes out on weekend drives. Good luck with your goal of 1:40 at Willow. My best time was 1:42.1 with a stock 2000cc (102hp). I want a ride when you get to 1:40.
Congrats Philip. 1:42 is impressive with that kind of power. Do you have any idea what your car weighs? And is 102 hp at the wheels?

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Phil, looks to me like there's not much to restore.....(compared to 99% of the GT I've seen of late that is). Count yourself lucky to be able to drive it from the get go and not have any real restoration work (and expense) to undertake....save the cosmetic and fun mechanical ones.
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Old 11-22-2006, 05:47 PM
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The HP is rear wheel. I've never weighed the car, but it's stock with a full interior and a roll bar. It got to the point where it looked too good and started getting too valuable to put on the track. With what you have planned, you'll have a great looking and handling street/track car. I'll look forward to seeing you on track.
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Sorry it's been a while.

I had the week off between Christmas and New Year, so I spent all of it working on the car.

Here we go. Over the past few months, I removed all of the suspension parts, blasted them, and had them powder coated.

This is what the under side looked when I purchased the car.


This is what things looked like after I removed the springs and shocks and cleaned the undercoating off of them.



This is how things look as of now.

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Here are some of the parts before they went off to the powder coater.
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Sorry for slipping off-topic, but that looks like a really neat trolley jack!!
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Here are some pics of the parts after they came back from the powder coater. The parts that were powder coated included: trailing arms, panasports, Autopower roll bar, a-arms, spindles (or whatever that piece is called), spring pans, axle tubes, and other smaller items.
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so when all the pretty powder coated parts were finished, I starting assembling them and thought, "Man! This hardware looks crummy." So I decided to have most of it cad plated.

Note: to save like $50, I blasted all the parts myself. With how long it took to blast all those sons-uh-guns, I essentially earned myself about $8 an hour. Next time, I'll pay them.

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I have also rebuilt the brakes (2L calipers and rotors on the front). The car will have 4 new rotors and new pads as well. I had new ARP studs pressed in at all corners. All the parts that weren't powder coated, I sand blasted and finished with Rustoleum primer and 500 degree semi-gloss black.
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Sorry for slipping off-topic, but that looks like a really neat trolley jack!!
Thanks. I think they are about $100 from Harbor Freight.
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Bryan,

Did you replace the bushings in the lower "A" arms? Your pictures show the A arms assembled both before and after the powder coating. These bushings usually need replacing and better to do it now than pull everything off again to replace them. They are some kind of plastic inside so I don't know if they would last through the curing oven for the powder coating. Here is a picture of the bushing I am talking about that I put together from one I took apart.

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Bryan,

Did you replace the bushings in the lower "A" arms? Your pictures show the A arms assembled both before and after the powder coating. These bushings usually need replacing and better to do it now than pull everything off again to replace them. They are some kind of plastic inside so I don't know if they would last through the curing oven for the powder coating. Here is a picture of the bushing I am talking about that I put together from one I took apart.

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yup, they had to come out to powder coat because part of the process is baking the parts at 400 degrees, so bushings don't hold up. Since they had to come out, I figured they should be replaced. I actually replaced them twice...kinda. I told the guy to put them in backwards, by accident. So they had to be removed and re-pressed correctly. whoops.

Every ball joint, bushing, and bearing have been replaced both front and rear. Special thanks to Max @ Alfaholics and the guys @ centerline for the quality parts.
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