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Old 08-03-2006, 03:50 PM
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Funny! I thought of old frankie too!
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Old 08-03-2006, 03:52 PM
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Hey, at least the gas lid is in good shape! I am going to start a bake sale. Anybody want some Amsterdam Brownies? ...they are really good! $25 each.
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Old 08-03-2006, 03:54 PM
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Kind of like what your knee looks like after ACL surgery in Mexico....
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Old 08-03-2006, 04:02 PM
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I know that this would get answered even if I didn't post and I'm making myself look very ignorant (which is okay because I am!) but what's going on in the pictures?

It looks like either:

1. The blasting uncovered a serious frankenstein's creation of stitched together panels.
2. The blasting both uncovered a serious frankenstein's creation of stitched together panels AND warped the crap out of the existing good panels?

Or....

The car was seriously warped and stitched together followed by a generous slathering of bondo which the blasting removed uncovering the prevous atrocious acts?
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Old 08-03-2006, 04:42 PM
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I think it's '3', the blasting uncovered the most beautiful ***...like the one on the blond in your avatar.

The answer is 1 but, to get all the bondo off, there is problably some panel warp but most is from the previous owners restoration process (if you can call it 'restoration').
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:00 PM
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no, no, no. No panel warpage happened. They did an excellent job of avoiding that.
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:10 PM
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Wow. So the car had that much bondo on it? The owner must be really excited.....
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All that work looks like an amatuer did a lot of brazing. In your opinion, what are the options here? I can only think that fixing this mess will be a very costly procedure.
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:32 PM
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Well, cost is our top battle. The panels that were used to "repair" the car appear to be from another car. Better yet the old metal was NOT cut out. The butcher....... I'm not joking when I say this...RIVETED over the old metal then brazed the edges???? With that said I'm going to attemped to use the metal that is there. After of course, I remove the damaged metal.
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Well, cost is our top battle. The panels that were used to "repair" the car appear to be from another car. Better yet the old metal was NOT cut out. The butcher....... I'm not joking when I say this...RIVETED over the old metal then brazed the edges???? With that said I'm going to attemped to use the metal that is there. After of course, I remove the damaged metal.
Your team will be able to fabricate patches and butt weld them in ... from what I've seen of your work so far. Nothing wrong with patches as long as they are done properly. As you know overlapping patches is a complete waste of time as rust starts between the metal ... unfortunately this is (I believe) what is taught as acceptable work in many restoration courses.

As you say cost will be the problem. It appears as if generally the car is straight enough. I guess you could purchase guards from a donor car ...

Anyway it will be interesting to watch .

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With the metal that dimpled, warped and patched wouldn't it be cheaper to find a donor car and just weld on entire fenders and things?
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The metal will not be "patched". The metal will be cut clean, Tig welded in a butt match, then the welds will hot be forged to a near smooth finish. When restoring a car, the metal must be integral to the existing metal. This is the best way to prevent welding degradation or rust.
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Your right Tim, a donor may be our best option. I have a line on those parts.
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The metal will not be "patched". The metal will be cut clean, Tig welded in a butt match, then the welds will hot be forged to a near smooth finish. When restoring a car, the metal must be integral to the existing metal. This is the best way to prevent welding degradation or rust.
We're talking the same language mate. To me a 'patch' simply means a piece of metal that you have made. As you say the important part is to 'butt' weld.

There is nothing wrong with replacing metal with another piece as long as it is installed correctly.

What does 'patched' mean to you?
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:43 PM
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patch........ This car is riddled with patches. The fact that the old metal was not removed, and more so perfectly good metal was merely riveted on. That is a patch (plugging a hole so to speak). The circles that I travel in, refer to butt welding with forging as panel restoring. Patching, in among these people, is called butchering.
And as always Pete, I know what you mean. Your a man with a discriminating eye for detail and quality.
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