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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 04-21-2017, 12:13 PM Thread Starter
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Junior dash into 2000?

Apologies if this has been discussed but all my searches for Junior conversions seem to yield discussion of some other type of swap.

I have a pretty badly cracked dash on my 2L and I don't love the 2L design. Classic Alfa has a nice looking repro Junior dash that'll costs miles less than it would to send mine out for fixing-upping. Has anyone done this swap on the 2000? I can handle lots of electrical re-doing, but wondering if there are any show stoppers like: mounting points very different, electric vs mech'l instrument drives, instrument availability, etc.

How is fresh air handled on the Junior?

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While 2000 GTV dashes are prone to cracking, I did notice that repro dashes are now available for around $850, about 1/3 less than re-conditioning your own dash with Just Dashes. Those eye-ball vents do make a difference in cabin comfort... just ask anyone who has ridden in both a 1750 and 2000. But the look you're considering is nice... there aren't any real show stoppers I can think of other than getting the parts (dash, gages, heater/vent controls) and figuring out the wiring changes, relocating the fuse box, etc.

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Thanks Ken - thought you might pipe up
Does the junior have no fresh air whatsoever? Or do the flexi ducts just discharge below the dash?

Oh and to be clear I was pondering using the center console from the 2000.

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Humm okay I'm starting to appreciate the complexity here - the Junior dash has cut outs for the heater controls and the location of the water/fuel gauges would conflict with the center console of the 2000. Well I still like pursuing this but it'll take some thinking.

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I've done it a couple of times and didn't find it tough. But why the 2000 center console? You can find 1750 consoles or GTjrs gauge pods.

And I don't miss the side vents with the quarter windows.
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I did the same on my '74. Pretty ez and straightforward. Requires new gauges. I used the jr. pod to eliminate the center console. As stated the vent windows will give you plenty of fresh air when cranked full open.
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Thanks all. Rich where did you procure the gauges? Are they common to any other vehicle or do you look for spares in the alfa world?

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Thanks all. Rich where did you procure the gauges? Are they common to any other vehicle or do you look for spares in the alfa world?
Hi, I have a few ideas for you. You could mount the small gauges GTAm style on the wood panel in area normal for Radio. You could use a fibre glass GTAm Dash. You could source a 1750 GTV dash from Bertlesbeck that Rossano just told me about. That way you can get and use a Throttle/Choke lever set if that is important to you. You will likely have to block off the fresh air vents or jerry rig 2 controls.

PARTS I HAVE for you consideration

If you go with 1750 type; I will have Large gauges for you, maybe small gauges, probably indicator lights and dash wiring harness, maybe a GTj gauge pod, likely a 1750 type centre console both pieces, will have a cracked 1750 type dash if you want to have rebuilt, have Throttle/Choke lever set. and what else you might need

If you stay 2000; Also have an un-cracked 2000 dash and a bare NOS 2000 dash one of which might be negotiated away from me.

The 1750 dash parts I have is because I have sold stripped down cracked dashes in past.

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Thanks Ken - I'll send you a PM.

The throttle cable is not important to me, I've not reconnected the linkage when I reassembled the engine bay.

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Talking this swap thru with Ken today (thanks for the garage visit) I realized that finding the chrome trim for the three pieces of veneer may be the most difficult part of this swap. None of my favorite suppliers offer them - does anyone have a set or know of repros for sale?

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I also prefer the 1750 dash by a long shot. But please be aware that IMHO, the repro you mention is not nearly as nicely made and finished as the originals. You could argue that it is not 100% finished. I got one and it was a major dissapointment. Takes a lot of fitting.
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I appreciate that feedback. When you say it takes lots of finishing are you referring to modifying it to physically fit or that that the quality of the visible cabin side finishes is lacking? Or both?

The main reason I'm going this route is that I don't believe I would be able to refinish my existing dash myself or otherwise economically. I don't mind doing a bunch of work on the invisible parts of the dash to make it fit, but if the outward appearance is lacking I would like to hear more...

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I don't mind doing a bunch of work on the invisible parts of the dash to make it fit, but if the outward appearance is lacking I would like to hear more...
Then I think you are good to go. I had to carve-drill a lot to make things fit and was dissapointed about how ligthweight the thing is when compared to the original, but outward appearance is quite good.
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The problem with a 7 year (!?) restoration is you forget what you learned early on. I just recalled a thread which included a very positive review of:

Alfa Romeo GT BERTONE DASHBOARD GT BERTONE 1300 - 1600

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Thanks Santiago - appreciate the clarification.

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