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Old 03-12-2003, 08:20 AM
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windshield gasket question

I am planning to strip my GTV for the paintshop.
I want to take out all the glass and replace all
the gaskets. I have been reading that there were
two types of windshileds for GTV's. Euro's used
gaskets, and US versions were glue ins. My GTV
is a 71 1750 US version. Any truth to this?
Whats a glue in?

Also whats the best method to remove the windshield
without breaking it? And what brand gasket is best.

Last question, should I keep the original trim for
the windshield, or just run a gasket?

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Old 03-12-2003, 03:19 PM
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Re: windshield gasket question

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Whats a glue in?


Last question, should I keep the original trim for
the windshield, or just run a gasket?

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Glued in window rather then in rubber holding it in (not positive).

Save the trim, it's impossible to find straight trim for the front windshield.
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Old 03-12-2003, 05:12 PM
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Re: windshield gasket question

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Euro's used
gaskets, and US versions were glue ins. My GTV
is a 71 1750 US version. Any truth to this?
Whats a glue in?

Also whats the best method to remove the windshield
without breaking it? And what brand gasket is best.

Last question, should I keep the original trim for
the windshield, or just run a gasket?

The parts books show that all 1750s, both Euro and US, as well as the 2000 Euro GTVs have gasketed front windshields. Only the US 72-74 2000 GTVs have glue ins. The difference between the two is the attaching method and the size. The gasketed type are held in with a rubber gasket and the glue ins are, well, glued in. The gasketed windscreen is also slightly smaller in size due to the thickness of the gasket.

Never took one out but I've read and heard that the safest way is to just cut the gasket. There's no risk of breaking the glass or bending the trim. Plus, the gaskets are readily available from the usual sources at a much more reasonable price than a windshield or the almost unobtainable trim. Got my gasket from www.alfaholics.com for $36 2 years ago.

By all means; KEEP THE TRIM!!!! Pretty rare this stuff and it's needed to ensure a proper watertight seal.
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Old 03-13-2003, 07:15 AM
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Jim,

Once again your info/knowledge is a real asset to
the board, thanks.

Now, how did you cut your gasket? Exacto knife?
I have heard that using a coping saw blade stuck
thru the gasket, and then working your way around
the window with two people (one inside, one outside)
works the best, any comments?
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All early GTV's came with the gasket type windshield....65-69 if i am correct. in 71 they had the glue in type until the gtv's were done being built in 74. most people just replace their glue in type winshield with the later ones mainly because the chances of rusting is greater with the glue in type than the gasket version. i suggest you convert it to the gasket type if you can find all the things needed at a good price, remember, the gasket type windshield is a little bit smaller.

when i am without help, i cut the gasket around the outside with a razor blade and then slowly push it out from the inside.
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Old 03-13-2003, 10:41 AM
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italcarguy,

Do you mean I should buy new front and rear
windshields? I have seen them in the $400-600
each, youch!! Or do you have a cheaper source?

Would it be possible for a glass shop to grind the
lip on the glass enough to get the gasket on?
Or are there other gaskets that can be made to work?

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Old 03-13-2003, 04:38 PM
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You can relax about the rear windshield Keven; they're all gasketed and all the same size. Even a heated rear window can be installed in the earlier cars that didn't originally come with one. I believe 71 was the first year for the heated rear window (in the US anyway).
The way to tell if the windshield is gasketed or not is to look where the body meets the glass. If you have the body, then trim and then glass, it's a glue in. If it's body, rubber, trim, rubber, glass, then it's gasketed.
The gasket part number, 105.36.53.115.00, appears to be the same for all 105 coupes that used them. The only cars I know for sure that didn't use them are the 72-74 2000 US versions. However, since Sep 1970 is the latest supplement date in my 1750 parts book, 71 US GTVs could also have the glue in (I will check the supp dates before posting, I will check the supp dates...). Can you post a pic?
I agree with italcarguy that the gasketed type is the way to go; much less chance of rust and, from what I've heard, an easier, cleaner leakfree installation.
If you do end up choosing to buy a windshield, make sure it has the "AS-1" designation on it. This ensures that it's US compliant laminated safety glass that won't shatter like the AS-2 side windows do.
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Old 03-17-2003, 06:29 PM
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Windshield trim

I purchased new stainless steel windshield trim from ReOriginals a few months ago. Somewhere between body shop and upholsterer, my nearly perfect original trim got twisted. Thank goodness for ReOriginals!
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Old 04-08-2003, 11:56 AM
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I finally took a close look at my front winshield.
I have the dreaded "glue in". Now what?

Can I fit a gasket on my existing windshield, or
do I need to buy a new one to use a gasket?
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You need to buy a 'gasket' type windshield to use a gasket and the trim to make it all work.
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Old 04-09-2003, 12:07 PM
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Be careful!

Yo,
I have a '74 with the glue in model, I managed to put a small crack in it when removing it. So if u plan to not spend the big bux and spring for new glass, BE CAREFUL! Or be like me and spring for a new one. Question... does the trim for the glue in fit the gasket windshield???
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Question... does the trim for the glue in fit the gasket windshield???
Bill
I was told that the trims are different and are not interchagable.
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Old 04-10-2003, 09:53 AM
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Thanx

Yeah, I thought they weren't. Oh well thanx papajam
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