Over the weekend I was talking to an old friend in Sicily and he was telling me he has a 2 liter Autodelta GTV. I've never heard of it. He says about 200 were produced. Special features include engine tuning, lightweight pannels, and some suspension mods. Anyone heard of these? Is this something that was available as an option in Europe and not in the USA?
Never heard of 200 cars, nor any special editions for sale, that does not sound accurate. AR certinaly did not have seperate AR#'s like GTA or GTA Jr's. The seperate parts were availble in the Autodelta catalouge.
I do know for a fact that Autodelta did factory prepare and race five (4 red, 1 blue) 2000 GTV's for Group1 for ETCC entry in 1972 and 1973 as the GTAM's had to sit out due to weight requirement(cars were too light due to lightened perspex windows replacing the glass) issues for their class. AD decided to focus on the 2000 GTV in 72" and GTA Jr's a bit more in these years(notice 1 GTAm was AD entered and not allowed to run at SPA).
These 2000 GTV's were factory backed Autodelta cars with Autodelta drivers not other single/private team entries (there were those too). Some of the entries did use the GTA/GTAm sliding blocks, knuckle risers, adjustable control arms. Some ran the magnesium GTA wheels but the majiority ran the stock GTV steel wheels with race rubber. They were experimenting with which GTA and AD parts from the AR Perf. catalouge worked well on the 2000 GTV's. They also ran the Autodelta cams in the performace catalouge and did carb. jet changes.
The lighter hood, doors and trunk panels were available but like the GTAm Autodelta had to revert back to the original panels as the cars did not meet the weight requirements. As you know the panels were available and docmented in the Autodelta parts guides. I never did read AD went with the GTA gears though or any of the other lighter magnesium parts for that matter. They did run full exhausts and not side dumps it seems.
They were also entered in the 1973 SPA with some other drivers you will recognize (See sheet).
There is some detail about them one of the Alfa books I have (I would need to pull it to find out more). I also do have the exact motor specs of the cars if interested.
Can you get a picture of your friends car in Italy?? I would be very, very interested in seeing them.
I do ofton wonder what happened to the (#40 P. Bertinchamps, J. Berger), (#41 Hessel-Gleich) , (#42 Fagnotti-Wiesinger) and (#43 Ballot-Lena, JC. Lagniez).
Any idea where these cars are today???? They must be out there somewhere?
From my notes with Jim K. the Gp1 spec cars racing in 1970-73 in the Euro.Championship. Power was "real" 130-132hp, with only an additional jet change (illegal), GP 1 Autodelta cams and a increase of CR to 9.7:1.
SPA 1973 (per the above sheets).
AutoDelta factory entries. Blue GTV entry. Listed to drive was (#53 C. Facetti-M. Larini) also driven by: "Pooky" (I)/Umberto Grano (I)
and AutoDelta factory entry listed as (#55 J.C. Lagneiz-J. Berger), and also driven by Driven by: Roger Dubos acques Berger (B
Hello RossoGTV4Me!
I´m interested in the technical specs of this gtv.
do you know sth about the suspension of the cars?
what kind of air intake do they have?
Here is the deal. I got this from Jim K. a published author and someone who also visitied Alfa Corse.
The AR factory ETCC Autodelta Group 1 entries had 9,7:1 CR plus a little rejetting, GP1 cams Autodelta part# 11501.03.200.32 (per AR Perf. Options Catalouge) factory 2000 GTV's entered in the ETCC (1970-72) put out a REAL 131hp AT BEST (most were measured at 128hp). DON'T ask what the actual (flywheel)power of the std road cars Alfa advertised was....117-124max! Anyone remember the advertized figures? From 128-131hp, depending on year and all this is to DIN standards! I sometimes like to say that AR power figures include...tax!
The GP1 Autodelta cam was copied by C&B and re-named the CB47 cam. It is a copy of the AR factory Group1 cam of early 1970. They have been discontinued from C&B and they will not re-grind them apparently.
I know that Autodelta experimented with sliding blocks, GTA headers and GTA wheels as well as some magnesium parts from the GTAm and GTA & GTA Junior as well as other AD parts available in the AR Performance Options Catalouge. We would need a AD team member of that time who was on the team in the races for the entries I posted above to really give us the other exact details.
Autodelta 2000 GTV's ran both in Group/Division 1 and 2. Reportedly they were doing some 145mph on the Masta straight at Spa... not sure what year and whether those were Group 1 or 2 cars ... but that would suggest more than 130 something horsepower.
It would be really neat to see pictures of factory AD Group 2 entered cars. I have only seen the group 1 cars as posted above. If you come across anything please let us know
Yes, the info & documented mods mentioned were just for Group 1.
If Autodelta entered GTV's and ran Group 2 then that is a whole new conversation, and would be a really fun one to explore. All the documentaion I provided above was for factory Autodelta entries documented in Group 1 only.
Remember Autodelta was limited to what they could do to the 2000 GTV's from the ETCC Group 1 rules. Them mods above are actual Autodetla mods for Group 1.
Would love to see pictures or documentation on the Autodelta entered Group 2 GTV 2000's, for sure! If anyone has them please post, but remember we are looking for factory Autodelta entries only not independent teams.
What i know about it is that autodelta only raced the gtv 2000 in group 1, but as sayed heare that where no org cars, the car parts where drild for lightnes so when you opend the door you could see wright throu it for an instand, i have been with the man who won in the early 70 the 72 hours of the Nurburgring with a standart 2 liter spider and autodelta bild the engine for him.
when he came too collecd the engine it was still apart so he was there when the engine was bild, howe they did is was they had 20 crankshafts and looked for the one withs had bigest hub.
then they had a howe lot of org pistons and looked for the bigest bore ones and matched them too cilinder liners then they looked for org conectingrods withs had the same minimum wight.
so did they bild those engines it was all org but bild out off so many parts that that imposible too now a days or you need a big waled.
the engen and car was still owned by the man and the engine was beside the car and had ad numbers.
so the gtv 2000 where org gtv 2000 cars bud bild too a compled diferent, matsh hire spec.
I have some period info at home, not here at hand, so I will just make a few comments from the top of my memory.
The 1973 entry sheet differs from the actual entries. One difference that immediately springs to mind is that Massimo Larini actually raced the #50 GTAm, had a bad accident during the night and passed away from the consequences a few days later.
I remember a prep description, not 100% sure if referred to the Autodelta cars or to other "privately" entered that year (possibly the Lov'Auto ones, not sure) quoting a few more HP, but actually not significantly, describing the fine tune of the ventilator blades, cut and "geared" as to fit the wind speed in 5th, and the front spoiler (but that's maybe in 1974?) allowing an extra 300rpm down the Masta straight. Don't forget, when considering the quoted top speed at Masta, taht it was a downhill section.
In this picture you can see the starting grid of the SPA 1973 race.
Notice Group 1 cars are lined up first with Group 2 behind.
I have circled in red the (4) AR/Autodelta Gr. 1 2000 GTV entries (3) Red, (1) Blue cars of (In lineup order):
(#55 J.C. Lagneiz-J. Berger)
(#53 C. Facetti-M. Larini)(Blue GTV)
(#56 P. Toussaint-C. Ballot Lena)
(#54 T. Zeccoli-D. Spartaco)
Not sure, but this looks so close to the #42 AD car entered at SPA in 1973.
Picture may be before SPA? Car had a yellow stripe instead of a blue stripe. Decals look almost identical as well as the Camel sponser on the white circle #42 ..hmmm...
Anyone have this article from this magazine?
More Autodelta prepared AR factory 2000 GTV's group 1 entries into the ETCC. In this picture there are all (4) of the 2000 GTV entries. (#40 P. Bertinchamps, J. Berger), (#41 Hessel-Gleich) , (#42 Fagnotti-Wiesinger) and (#43 Ballot-Lena, JC. Lagniez).
There are also the (4) Group 2 AD entered GTA 1300 Jr's of (#80 M. Picchi, N. Vaccarella), (#81 M. Larini, Paco), (#82 L. Colzani, V. Venturi), (#83 C. Facceto, T. Zeccoli)
King's Cup at Spa 1972. At the right of the GTA Jr. car #82, stands Mr. Paone
who was one of the top mechanics at AUTODELTA.
I will be visiting Fiat and Alfa Romeo corporate in Sept. I will have full access to their archives and will try and dig up all I can.
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