Giulietta 750 age versus model numbers

[Dennis Butler]

I purchased a Giulietta Sprint some months back. I was told it was a 1956 model with original motor and gearbox. But I have since been told that it is a 1959 model and engine is a 105.
How do I get the info (purchase) on how the numbers worked for each year or find a link.
My Giulietta numbers on tags under bonnet:-
750 B
chassis 1493 08492
engine 1315 07418
and engine number on block AR 00514 39080

What does the 1870 mean on the sleeves

Please direct me please.

[Peter]

Welcome to the board!!!

According to Fusi your car is a 1959 with matching engine, at least the 1315 07418..... the 00514 engine number indicates a later engine from a Giulia Ti around 1964...not sure what you meant, you gave two engine numbers

[Dennis Butler]

The stamped info inside bonnet is 750 B and chassis 1493 08492 and engine 1315 07418. But when I cleaned motor I found the engine number to be AR 00514 39080. As your info indicates that the engine is not original. Regarding the sleeves - what does the 1870 etched on the sleeve mean. A little heart sore to find out that the Giulietta is not all original.

[alfa soon]

First, congrats on your Sprint purchase.

Second (as always) post some pictures!

Third, what are you refering to when you say "the sleeves"?

If you want to go back to stock a standard 750 engine shouldn't be too hard to find, who knows, a little research with prior owners etc may even turn up the original engine.

You can look up the numbers here:
Giulia-Related Excerpts from FUSI

Be warned, the Fusi listings are not 100% accurate.

[Dennis Butler]

Thanks for info. I will take pics and post.
This is my first Alfa project. When I stripped the motor and found that water had got inside the motor. The prevous owner had partly stripped vehicle to restor some 35 years back and did some work on the motor. But never put plugs in. Over years water grot had got into the motor. The pistons had rusted into the sleeves that came out once I had undone the conrod bolts.
I have managed to remove the pistons from the sleeves (I dont know real term). Both pistons and sleeves are badly damaged and will have to be replaced by new. No rust on crank. But rust on oil pump gears. Cam lobes also some rust and pitting. Other than that no other damage I can see. Seems like I will have to buy new cams as well. Vehicle in very good shape. Only rust I can find is behind the seats on floor pan where the rats did their mornings over all the years. Gear box 5 speed (4 speed is also there) was done by some expert and seems all in good nick. The only other part that seems missing is the rev counter. Fortunitly the vehicle has been in an open garage for the 35 years or since last owners stripping.

[Dennis Butler]

pistons have stamped on top 77.96 and another p0.04 (I think)
Inside numbers 73V19I and MAHLE CO11 the sleeve only has 1870 etched on the outside.

[Peter]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Butler The stamped info inside bonnet is 750 B and chassis 1493 08492 and engine 1315 07418. But when I cleaned motor I found the engine number to be AR 00514 39080.

[alfa soon]

I don't know where you are (US? UK? Mongolia?) but if they are available in your area and since the engine is incorrect anyway, you might want to just get another incorrect though in better condition -preferably running engine to put in the car while you source a period correct engine to build. There are unstamped blocks available if you know where to look, so you could go that route to create a matching number car. I get the sense that not having the correct engine for a Normale is not a big deal value-wise unless we are talking about either a time-warp perfect original car or a concours restoration candidate.

I should have known you meant the liners when you said sleeves, but it hadn't occured to me that the engine was apart. Most Alfa specialists -Centerline comes to mind in the states- carry 1600 piston/liner sets and they are not expensive.

[Dennis Butler]

Thank you for information. I am so overwelmed by help from people. I live in Johannesburg South Africa. A Alfa fanatic here has also given me advice on buying another running engine rather than redoing my original engine. I have looked around and found a few Giulia motors in running condition for a good price. My concern is that once I spend very good money on refurbushing the Giulietta up and plonking in a used motor I have no idea how good this motor is. I could be working on the motor in 6 to 18 months. My thought was to redo existing motor and take the knock now and then know that I should have an excellent condition vehicle for the next number of years. In the mean time look around in SA for original motor or another 750 B 1300 motor. Seeing as it is my first Alfa redo I am ot to sure what concorce means. But what I have planned is that I am re-doing the vehicle as original as possible. What I really want to do is to drive this beauty around, joining the local Alfa club.

[alfa soon]

My 59 Sprint has an unknown mileage 1971 1750 in it that came from a wrecked Berlina that 'seemed pretty good' to the guy who put it in the car, meaning it had good oil pressure, compression, valve clearances etc. I've done about 25,000 trouble free miles in the car since I got it a few years ago. These engines are very robust and seem to be able to go on and on even when worn out. Using a known running engine you could be on the road in short order if the car is in overall decent condition.

Join the local Alfa club now and leverage their collective expertise to help you get the car together. I know there are several South African enthusiasts on this board who are always very helpful.

Looking forward to seeing pictures, oh, and concours means essentially 'better than new' condition.

[Dennis Butler]

You are right. The only problem is that the vehicle was stripped 35 odd years ago. Body outside is is OK condition but interior was home to rodents for many a year and destroyed. That is why I was thinking of going from the begining to restore body, engine etc.
Will post pics soon. My work keeps me running around.

[Ian Evans]

Lets see pictures...

[Dennis Butler]

See some pics on the following links. I am new at this so lets see what happens.
URL1: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/back_bench.jpg
URL2: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/back_close.jpg
URL3: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/back_window.jpg
URL4: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/back1.jpg
URL5: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/front.jpg
URL6: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/hubcap.jpg
URL7: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/inside_boot.jpg
URL8: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/inside_passenger_door.jpg
URL9: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/rhs_rear_close.jpg
URL10: http://www.akp.co.za/alfa/side.jpg

[alfa soon]

Dennis,

That car looks like a real nice project. A full-scale restoration is a really time-intensive big job to do yourself or a big multiple check-writing exercise. You might want to consider following a similar approach to this car as Andrew has with his Berlina here Giulietta Berlina restoration.
Drop an engine in, do the brakes, clean out the fuel system, stabilize the electrical system, make it look as good as it can with what you already have and use it a bit to see if it's a car you really want to spend a bunch of money on restoring. If you decide not to restore it in a full scale body off manner, you can still do small improvements and use it. All this stuff has to be done anyway whether you do it all at once or spread it out. You may find (as I have) that driving around in a scruffy Sprint is fun and rather than restore it you may buy another that is already restored.

If you decide to sell it the fact that it is a running driving car will add a lot of value.

giulietta sprints

[Andrew]

The engine in Matt's Sprint came out of my old 69 Berlina, after the guy who bought it from me wrecked it. He sold the engine to a guy, who installed it in the Sprint, and eventually that Sprint went to Matt.

I did a valve job on that engine immediately when I got it (1995) to be able to pass smog (burned exhaust valve). Otherwise I had not a moment's trouble with it in 20-30,000 miles. These are great engines, as Matt says. 1750s are my fave. But there's nothing wrong with a strong 1600 in a Sprint either, and you already have that Giulia TI block. 1600 parts are not a problem.

Andrew