Montecatini Rosso anyone?

[Gordon Raymond]

Didn't Porsche offer a "Ferrari red" in the 70's before they renamed it (or invented it!)?
Ferrari Racing Red is a unique color, not often seen today except on old race cars. Also sometimes incorrectly called "Blood Red", it is actually a blue red, the color of blood!
I have seen one of Ferrari's Alfa race cars from the 30's painted this same color. Guess Ferrari knows that old Alfa color. Maybe Alphonso has the decoder ring?
Gordon Raymond

[GTD]

You guys have way too much time on your hands!

Bruce - we could tell your 9614 pic is for a 69 Roundtail and not an earlier Duetto because ALFA did something of a repeat of a former red paint with your car. My guess is that Alfisti feedback (slow sales) of 9068 red Duettos led ALFA to return to 304/514, the familiar ROSSO seen for years on 750/101 Pininfarina bodies. Attached is a pic from a 101 decal, still intact.
I've also included the "official" ALFA color chart for 1969 to demonstrate that your car was not painted the typical 1969 Red.

You already have the vintage color codes in that DuPont catalog you pictured in the SPICA air-box thread. I've included a page from a vintage Glasurit and another DuPont book for reference. Your paint color equivalent from DuPont was likely to have been ALFA color: 304/514.
Regarding finding the Mystical Cross-over chart: Good Luck!
ALFA addressed these problems years ago - see Parts Bulletin pictured below.
The original colors did not stand up very well to UV exposure. Any re-spray required and continues to require "doctoring" in order to achieve a match. The best you'll do with a catalog formula is get a starting point; close or otherwise.

[Anfanuts]

Wow, now I am confused.
You say my 9614 is probably a throwback to an earlier models orangish-red AR304/514.
From the 1969 1750 Colour Chart I am 1969 "Red" - but was there more than one re whilst only one is listed there?
The May 1965 Techincal Buelletin is N/A to me on color specifics (predates). Use of term "Farina Red".
The (undated) German Alfa Romeo Blatt 7 sheet says I am an AR514 ("Rosso italia") and I assume that is a formulation recipe, in German.
The (undated) Alfa Romeo original finish sheet codes call AR304/514 "Carmen Red".

Conclusion: From this, it appears you believe Rosso 95-C-9614 is AR304/514 "Carmen Red", it is reminiscent of earlier 750/101 Spiders, there is a formulation recipe in German, and it will fade in the sun and require fiddling to match. If this is the case, what do they/we call 9068? Alfa Red? What is Farina Red? Thanks and best regards, Bruce

[Gordon Raymond]

Bruce,
Now honestly, from reading all the comments on the BB over time, can't you see that the reason we all have "opinions" here, is that Alfa, intentionally, by accident, has created so many puzzles over the years, that EVERYONE IS CONFUSED?
That's part of the fun, and why we like these cars. No Absolutes!
Gordon Raymond

[tubut]

I'm pretty sure Farina Red is a slightly orange red color that was used only for pre-62 Giulietta Spiders.

[GTD]

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You say my 9614 is probably a throwback to an earlier models orangish-red AR304/514. From the 1969 1750 Colour Chart I am 1969 "Red" - (I don't believe your car is this color red) - but was there more than one re whilst only one is listed there?

[Anfanuts]

Cool. I get it. No longer confused. It was a shade of red, one of many. The 9614 was probably a throwback (versus the 9068) of an "orangier" red. It amy be a bit unique. Match it if I can when I repaint based on the unmolested shaded parts (trunk or dash).

Why didn't you'all just say that!!

[velocedoc]

Reds are very prone to fading and have the highest in pigments, which are the most expensive, from what I have been told by paint stores. The red that was on my '69 spider was an "orange" red. When it faded out, it was very orange. I think the orange comes from the amount of yellow that was added to the paint when the paint store mixed it. (from recall -25 years ago).

[Gordon Raymond]

I love the quote," Your car looks like a sunset!". My friend Irene, at McCabes Restorations in Mundelein, Illinois, likes to say this about the factory paint on my 65 Giulia Veloce. The car carries most of it's factory paint despite a racing career and time. This car has lived in my climate controlled shop, covered when not in use. Considering the age of the paint, it looks very nice. It does, however, display all the colors of a sunset, under differing lighting conditions. Want orange? No problem, fluorescent light. Want red? Bright sunlight. A more blue red? An overcast day. Various different red-orange variations? Easy, low sun, early AM or near sunset. All this can be yours too with old 95-C-9068! Gordon Raymond

[johnnym]

I agree. This is what my paint guy came up with for AR514... it looks like a totally different car in each photo but is the same. It changed massively depending upon the light.

[Anfanuts]

Just for the record book, is AR304/514 the DUCO 9068 or 9614 (my sticker)??

Very nice roundtail. It's not listed in your sig?

[johnnym]

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Originally Posted by Anfanuts Very nice roundtail. It's not listed in your sig?

[yvesmontreal]

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Originally Posted by Anfanuts Cool. I get it. No longer confused. It was a shade of red, one of many. The 9614 was probably a throwback (versus the 9068) of an "orangier" red. It amy be a bit unique. Match it if I can when I repaint based on the unmolested shaded parts (trunk or dash). Why didn't you'all just say that!!

[Anfanuts]

Someone somewhere asked for the Sherwin Williams formulation for the "Rosso" I got in 1 pint cans to match my 304/514 body. It is a pretty good match, if not just a little less "orangry", but as amply pointed out above this can be due to sun fading over the years. I sprayed the windshield wiper cowling and it's an almost imprecipitable match. When I rub it down it probably will be.

The formulation on a label on the can is (if this means anything to anybody):
SW Automotive Finishes OF1; 5A-7915 00(B); Signal Red, Code 514 (1975-1985 Alfa Romeo); there is other info such as SWAFC-9704.

RO#
DA609 Polycure B 19.6
DM503 ** Red Orange** 153.7
DM 532 Magenta 89.9
DM522 Strong White 3.9
DM614 5.0 A/E Clear 174.0
DM 624 Balance Solv 35.1

When I repaint, I'll scan my trunk as it is original (as is the dash); OE sticker above 9614; and perhaps add a dash of "red" as it will sun fade over time.