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Look what I found...

Yes its another barn find.

Dear Mister Campbell,



with reference to your request we are informing you as follows.



According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1493.20198 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint, manufactured on the 6th October 1959 and sold on the 12th October 1959 to N.S.U. Werke, Germany.

The body colour is Alfa red.

The number you provided me doesn’t correspond to the engine originally fitted on this car.



Yours, Sincerely,





Marco Fazio

I took a close look at the car yesterday. The rockers are solid, no rust bubbles or deformation, the wheel arches are solid, the floor should be. Has a set of headers. The interior is all there, but much more tired than my GTVs. I don't know whats in the trunk as it seems to have been glued shut by the weatherstripping (It looks to have melted) The weatherstripping on the tail lights is doing the same thing.
The paint is shot, it will need a full paint job, the front end has lots of surface rust where it got crunched. The engine is dead, but the oilpan and pump are there. If I go for this, a 1600 or more likely a 1750 would find its way in there. I feel the rust is minimal, and almost all in the nose. I also think there is plenty of metal to so replacement shouldn't be necessary (I could be wrong, won't know until I try straightening things out however.)

What do you guys think? If I don't get it, the car won't ever go anyplace.

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C'mon, it's allredy in your garage, isn't it ???
A wonderful project!

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C'mon, it's allredy in your garage, isn't it ???
A wonderful project!
Uh, no not quite. The front left tire has sunk into the ground. I don't know if I will get lucky twice and find a second set of tires that hold air. It was last registered in 1975. Its been sitting in its current place since about then as well. Getting could be easy, or it won't happen at all. The guy who owns the barn (and is the former owner of my GTV) does not own the Sprint. His friend does, however the guy hasn't even looked at the car in 20 years. I might get the car for free, or the guy could want a fortune for it. I did take more pictures but they will have to wait awhile as I had to borrow a digital camera from a friend, who will email the rest to me when he gets back from Hawaii.

The bigger issue is having the $ to really do anything with it. There is a reason my race car is still in primer (with a real paint job with primer, not just grey primer) after 6 years. I don't really want to jump into another project before I get that one done. (But then I could by twice the paint and paint the Sprint the same body color as the Datsun. I'm thinking Aston Martin Titanium grey)

As far as the interior goes, the carpet might be ok, the seats aren't too bad, the headliner is gone, the dash is pretty good (could be great perhaps with a good cleaning) the door panels are pretty tired, as are the rear interior panels. The glove box is full of mouse nest (great more mummified mice ) The clutch and brake pedals move, the transmission shifts. Aside from the paint condition, the only really ugly part is the nose. Everything else is straight and there is no obvious major rust.

We will see how this unfolds. If I don't take it, the car will rust away where it sits.

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Daily drivers, beginning in 1965: 750 Spider, Giulia Spider, 105 Sprint GT, 101 Sprint, 69 Super, 79 Alfetta Sedan. Collectors beginning in 2006: 101 Spider, 101 Sprint. Both sold.
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Buy it. There is someone else just waiting to rescue and restore it if you do not relish he project. At least you can know you saved it! Just my opinion. Gordon Raymond
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I dig the car. I'd really like to own it. The project will just have to be a slow one. I also have the issue that the project would have to take place somewhere other than my garage as my landlady already frowns upon the fact that I have 2 "old cars" that require minor attention from time to time.

The block that is in the car looks to say its 1315-31028. Is this a 1300? Apparently its not the original. As I said, I'll keep everyone posted on how this plays out.

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I wonder if finding a front clip and grafting it on is cheaper than fixing the crunched front? The rest would just be a straight restoration of a tired but solid car.

With many project cars, however, I've noted that it's been hard saving toward my retirement!

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Yes it's a 1300. In Fusi, corresponds to a 58/59 750 Sprint Veloce engine, if he's reliable on these numbers. The hot water tube along the block below the carbs is a Veloce item, so I think it's believable. The block alone makes it very worthwhile.

I'd go for it if the price is right, regardless of how soon you can or cannot get to it. At least it will be on the road to recovery instead of rotting away, and if you decide you can't see it through, at least it'll be out of its grave and you can pass it along to someone who will see it through, and perhaps/probably make some money to fund your other projects in the bargain.

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Cool car, pretty close in number to mine. If it looks like it will be living in that barn for a few more years you might want to soak every nut and bolt you can find with WD40 or PJ blaster or Kroil or some such so that when the time comes it's a little bit easlier to work on.

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why is it that always the same guys have these wonderful barn finds, whereas the rest of us have to spend a lot of time to find our cars and pay top dollar
Just kidding....great find!

Still, wishing that one day I will be the one opening a barn somewhere and finding a forgotten treasure

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Peter, you simply need to be "hooked up"; in order to do so, befriend every farmer in your area.

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Occassionally, I go downtown for lunch-- and sometimes I then have trouble finding where I parked my daily driver.

Then when finally find I find it--it seems like the equivalent of a "garage" find.

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Peter, you simply need to be "hooked up"; in order to do so, befriend every farmer in your area.
It also helps to know a farmer who likes Alfas, who's brother was a factory trained mechanic and worked on Alfas till his untimely demise. Honestly, my GTV is the only thing of any worth that was given to me by anyone.

As far as redoing the front on this, I don't have access to a welder or plasma cutter so it will be far easier for me to remove the dents myself. I know how to do body work, and assuming there is enough solid metal on the front end, I should be able to get the front end cleaned up fairly quickly. I hate bondo so I will do my best to use as little as absolutely possible. I almost think getting the trunk open will be a bigger challenge than fixing the front end. Anyone have any ideas on this one?

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why is it that always the same guys have these wonderful barn finds, whereas the rest of us have to spend a lot of time to find our cars and pay top dollar
Just kidding....great find!

Still, wishing that one day I will be the one opening a barn somewhere and finding a forgotten treasure
Apparently many people make this mistake of keeping their enthusiasm regarding old cars too themselves in the belief that if everybody knew they would not find that ultimate barn find bargain.

Apparently the opposite is actually required and what barn finders do, ie: they sing about it and make sure everybodies knows that they are an old car nutter. People then mention things about what they saw and when, etc. in simple conversation, ie: thought it might interest you ... and then the trail starts .

Thus I will be doing my best at being my areas old car nutter ...
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Is open behind the back seat to crawl through and push, or poke with a stick or something at the latch? Or was it a welded rubber seals issue? If so, heat might work.
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