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Dipstick housing color

What color and type of finish (paint vs powder coating) should a '64
Giulia Spider 1600 dipstick housing be?

Are they the same for Normales and Veloces?

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Chassis black. Both are chassis black as is the bracket on the Veloce.


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Gordon,

Do you have photo of a 101 1600 Veloce dipstick & housing vis-a-vis those of a Normale?

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I do not have easily located photo's of a Normale, but here are some of different Veloce's assemblies.
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Gordon,

Powder coated OK, or is it too thick?

Has the engine in those photos been painted? If so, with what and what color?

In what way is the Veloce dipstick and housing different from a Normale; length?

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Ray,

I do not like powder coating because the original parts were painted and you have to remove some of the coating to make parts fit. I am having many problems with parts that were powder coated on a restoration. The Giulietta Normale engines used a threaded pipe instead of a metal tube dipstick holder and were Cad plated.
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I believe the threaded pipe disappeared with the 750 engines. Or at least later 101 1300's used the split tube bottom. All the 1600's, Normale and Veloce used the split tube as I use the normale tubes to re-manufacture Veloce tubes.
I agree that thick powder coat is a problem. Thin coated parts fit like painted parts, IF the coating is thin as paint.


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Has the engine in those photos been painted? If so, with what and what color?

In what way is the Veloce dipstick and housing different from a Normale; length?

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Ray[/QUOTE]

The engine pictured is bare aluminum. It was cleaned many-many times with "Protex Alclean" an aluminum welding cleaning, inorganic acid cleaner, for removing aluminum oxide before welding. The block was steam cleaned prior to and durring cleaning to get it and keep it hot. When the
acid stops bubbling, steam clean and re-apply.
A Veloce dipstick tube is shorter than a Normale and has a couple of distinct bends as seen in the photos, to allow the stick easy hand access between the Webers and distributor. The stick itself is "different", I've a couple in my shop, but forget how. A Veloce tube can be made from a Normale, if you are RESOLUTE and have a real one or dimensions for camparison. The Normale brazed on upper bracket must be carefully removed with a torch, the tube shortened, then bent, using the torch for smooth bends. A new Veloce Weber bracket must be made, as well as a new tube locating collar.
Send a PM with e-mail and I can send photos with rough dimensions.
This is NOT an easy conversion, it takes some time done correctly.


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Data on dip sticks & tubes

See attached list for accumulated data on dip sticks and tubes. Send me corrections if you have them.
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EXCELLENT Carl.


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Ignorance on display, here; but where is the info likely to be found that reveals which of the following corresponds to a '64 Giulia Spider Normale:

Spider from:

1) 1st cast sump, or

2) steel sump w/o diaphragm

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Found right-cheer ..

Your 64 Spider with 1600 N engine originally had a single piece cast alloy sump with fore and aft ribs or fins on the bottom,
There was a separate steel windage tray that bolted beneath the crankshaft.
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George,

That looks like it.

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For future questions it is best to always identify as Spider Normale or Spider Veloce ............. many times a different answer. Also give serial number or if you have obtained it from Alfa the month/year of build; the year on the title can be wrong by 1 or 2 years based on the way imported cars were titled in before the mid-1970's..
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