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#1 ·
Hey, I'm collecting money for restoring my grandfather's Alfa Romeo Giulia Spider Veloce, and I was wondering the price for restoring the vehicle. So, I put it as a goal. The painting is in great condition, the engine (that's in the car) is too big (I already found the right engine), all it really needs is the interior and mechanical stuff.
 
#23 · (Edited)
Without good pics, your replies will be few. If you cannot do the work yourself, the monies spent for outsourced labor are seldom recovered.
As GTD wrote, without a photos, a more well-defined scope of work, and the answer to who will restore the car, we can't give you a budget. We can tell you that it will come out to more than you plan at the outset.

Yes, I know the photos are coming.

What do you mean by "restore"? Just getting it running and back on the road, or ready to win first prize in a concours? The $ difference between these is significant. And will you do the work yourself, or have a professional do it? The answer to that question will have a big impact on the budget too.

I understand that the paint and body are OK and "all it really needs is the interior and mechanical stuff". But "mechanical stuff" isn't a very precise scope of work. I predict that once you get into it, you will find that more areas need attention than you had first thought. For example, any car that has sat for many years is going to need all of its rubber parts replaced - these decay with time, as well as mileage. At a minimum you should plan on replacing the giubo and going through the braking and fuel systems.

If you want to get a start on a budget, go to the websites of some of the Alfa parts suppliers (Centerline and Re-Originals here in the US, Classic Alfa and Alfaholics in the UK) and start noting the prices of carpet kits, door panels, upholstery, etc.
 
#3 ·
While GTD's comments are generally correct, if you have a true, complete, and unmolested 101 series Spider Veloce, you can do a true #1 condition restoration and expect to have a reasonable security of your investment. You might review the Hagerty and Sports Car Market valuation guides.

On the other hand, if the car is in generally good condition, you could simply clean it up, repair any obvious defects, and possibly have a cars worth MORE as an unrestored "survivor".

BTW, is the engine you "found" the original engine, or simply one of the correct size? It makes a difference in this car.

So, lots of pictures and specifics, please.
 
#5 ·
That is one VERY special Alfa!! The restored value can be well over $100,000 !
So you will suddenly have lots of Alfa specialist "friends" trying to talk you out of it.....

Take your time and get to know about how special it is and what it takes to bringt one back to great condition.
These are well built and not overly complicated cars. Most parts are available.
Here on the BB is a good spot to reserch literature and parts suppliers. Ask lots of questions !
There should be an Alfa Club near enough to contact owners and talk about these great cars.
 
#6 ·
Where are you?
One of the huge price factors in determing how much a restoration will cost, provided you can´t do anything yourself, is your location, are you in Italy, Germany, GB, USA etc it´ll cost a fortune (especially with rusted bodies), some other countries like India, the east block ex communist countries etc are cheaper, but as the body of your car seems to be ok and the car is more or less complete (?), your resto cost doesn´t need to be a killer.
Also very hard to judge/say without lot´s of detailed pics !!!

Dennis
 
#7 · (Edited)
DMA,

I'm about to conclude the third year of a one-year restoration of my 1964 Giulia Spider. If this is your first adventure with restoring an Alfa, there are a host of things that you cannot begin to imagine that will require much more time, effort and money regardless of what level of "restoring" you might envision for your car.

You do not mention your location, experience you've had with previous restoration work, or automobile work, in general, and that's your business. In addition to the wealth of incredible advice, information, and entertainment available here on the BB, I would suggest that you click on the 'Forums' tab and scroll down to and check out the International and North American AROC chapters; there may be one (or a member of one) located close to you.

Local Alfa chapters are great places to meet some friendly folks with lots of experience, knowledge, encouragement and elbow grease (if you supply some food and drink) to help with your project. The AROCOK (Tulsa, OK) chapter continues to be a source of all the above and more.

If you are willing to do so, you might post the Spider’s VIN and the engine numbers (photos are always appreciated and helpful) as some members have books or have started registries with data referring to build dates, car model types, what range of engines were probably installed in which cars, but more knowledgeable members can guide you through that maze.

All the best with your project; it will be an exciting, eventful and worthwhile journey and not at all what you expected. The Italians have a wonderful expression: “Non tutte le ciambelle (cham-bay-lay) riescono (ree -es-cono) col buco”, “Not all doughnuts come out with a hole.” In short, “It’s not what you expected, but you’ll enjoy it, just the same!” I’m sure your grandfather would be both pleased and proud.

Ray
 
#8 ·
You have asked the members here for advice. The picture in your header is far too small to learn anything from. If you don't want to post more pics, ok, but if you want useful input we'll need to see lots of pics, up close, and all over and under the car.

As to engine...

The value would be most with the engine originally installed in the car.
If that is not available, the next preference would be a 1600 Veloce engine from the same year.
If that is not available, a 1600 Veloce from another year.
If that is not available, a 1600 non-101 Veloce, but with all the Veloce parts installed.

Most non-Veloce cars are not so heavily devalued by non-correct parts. If your car is a true Veloce, the tiniest details can have a big impact on both the cost to restore, and the resulting market value.

That is either good or bad news depending upon your own skills and finances.
 
#9 ·
DMA - in profile / General Information

1963 Giulia Spider Veloce

History: I don't really know the story on how My grandfather, Bob, got the car, but I can tell you mine. Almost a year ago, my grandfather died, a few months after he had a stroke, and I decided to look around his house and check his stuff. Now, I never go to his basement until that time. I came down and I saw the car. I thought, "****, that's a pretty nice car." Since I became fascinated with old cars, I took pictures of all of his alfas that he owns today. I wanted the Giulia so bad that I'm raising money for it.
There is a contradiction there: in 1963 the Series 101.18 Giulia Spider Veloce had not yet been offered.
 
#10 · (Edited)
Sorry, I'll try to put all the picture (from my phone) to the computer or use an actual camera with SD card to apply it on the computer.

Also, thanks for everyone's advice. I'm pretty new to the website, and I'll answer most of your questions.
1. I'm from the United States
2. All I know from the car is the number 101-18, and it states that it's a Giulia Spider Veloce. Not very sure what year, I'm pretty sure it a 60's car.
3. The engine I found has the number 1600cc, so I assume that's the engine that could work for the car.
4. I'm just under 18 years old, and have little car experience.

That's all I know, so far. I'll try to collect more info whenever I come to my grandma's house.
 
#11 ·
See; these guys are a veritable library of Alfa info.

My '64 Giulia Spider Abnormale will never be for sale, but it will never have the $$$ value of a Veloce, but that means nothing to me.

But if you do have a genuine Veloce, it is worth following ALL the advice the BBers have to offer. We all understand and appreciate the value of a 750-101 Veloce, be it Sprint or Spider.
 
#12 ·
George,

When did the Giulia Veloce Spiders appear? Weren't they a "fill-in" until the Duettos were produced?
 
#15 ·
DMA,

When I ran the VIN of my Spider through Central Documentation
I was informed that my Spider was built on April 15, 1964, and sold to Alfa Romeo Newark, NJ, on July 26, 1964, even though it was titled as a 1966 model.

The BB guys informed me that my engine might have been installed in a 1963 Sprint, originally. Greig Smith, a true 750-101 guru from South Africa, thinks it might just be a leftover engine that got installed during a shift in production sights and things were just being used up rather than being relocated to the new facility.

I'll take it as that would mean that my 1600 engine,#00112.06212, is original to my Spider. That just raised the value by $100:)

Ray
 
#20 · (Edited)
If the engine that is in the car is the one that your Grandma installed I'd leave it in myself.

If you intend to sell it then sure put the correct engine in. Please note not just any old 1600cc Alfa engine will do, ie. one from a 105 series GTV would devalue the car considerably and you might as well leave the car as it was.

But by the sounds of it the most expensive part of the car is okay, ie. the body. If that is the case you have saved yourself a considerable fortune. Whatever you do resist the temptation to paint her but instead just carefully clean and bring the current paint back to life. Why?, as once you remove the paint it will get crazy expensive again, no matter how good it appears to currently looks.

Otherwise this will be a reasonably easy restoration assuming that the car is 100% complete. I'd concentrate on making it 100% mechanically sound and safe (replace all rubber fuel and brake lines as a must) and enjoy the driving and club meetings :)
Pete
 
#26 ·
I have restored a number of Giulietta cars and they are not much different than your Giulia. The cost of painting and body work is the greatest restoration expense. The cost is determined by the condition and level of restoration. I restored a 1957 Spider more than forty years ago and maybe should have purchased a restored car instead.
 
#27 · (Edited)
Alfajay,

What I mean by restoring is making it run on the road, and I'll try to restore it with help of a professional because I don't know many things about cars. Plus, what do you expect someone, that's under the age of 18, would restore the car all by himself only using YouTube? Also, thank you for giving me another site other than centerline alfa, and inform me about the rubber in the car along with the flex disc.



DMA
 
#28 ·
DMA,

All the Alfisti celebrate when young folk get infected with the Alfa virus. Unfortunately, there is no cure... Fortunately, there is no cure!

You seem to have a genuine passion for the car. Restore it to whatever level you want and can at this time of your life. Get it back on the road, take care of it and don't ever sell it unless there is no other alternative. If that day should ever come, sell it here on the BB.

I saw my first Alfa in the autumn of 1965; a 1959 Super Spider (Giulietta Veloce). It was white with a red interior. That car was sold to a guy who wanted it for his daughter; who knows where it ended up?

Keep us posted regarding your progress; everyone on the BB will help and encourage all that we can.

Glad to have you with us.

Ray Smith
Tulsa, OK
 
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