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What's the estimate cost to restore this car

Hey, I'm collecting money for restoring my grandfather's Alfa Romeo Giulia Spider Veloce, and I was wondering the price for restoring the vehicle. So, I put it as a goal. The painting is in great condition, the engine (that's in the car) is too big (I already found the right engine), all it really needs is the interior and mechanical stuff.

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Without good pics, your replies will be few.

AlfaBB members like to look at Alfa-porn.

State your location and personal restoration abilities .. rebuilding a car is a labor of love, NOT a lucrative financial venture.
If you cannot do the work yourself, the monies spent for outsourced labor are seldom recovered.
ossodiseppia and ronsbackyard like this.

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While GTD's comments are generally correct, if you have a true, complete, and unmolested 101 series Spider Veloce, you can do a true #1 condition restoration and expect to have a reasonable security of your investment. You might review the Hagerty and Sports Car Market valuation guides.

On the other hand, if the car is in generally good condition, you could simply clean it up, repair any obvious defects, and possibly have a cars worth MORE as an unrestored "survivor".

BTW, is the engine you "found" the original engine, or simply one of the correct size? It makes a difference in this car.

So, lots of pictures and specifics, please.

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61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
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86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

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1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

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it's my profile picture, and I found the correct size of the engine.

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That is one VERY special Alfa!! The restored value can be well over $100,000 !
So you will suddenly have lots of Alfa specialist "friends" trying to talk you out of it.....

Take your time and get to know about how special it is and what it takes to bringt one back to great condition.
These are well built and not overly complicated cars. Most parts are available.
Here on the BB is a good spot to reserch literature and parts suppliers. Ask lots of questions !
There should be an Alfa Club near enough to contact owners and talk about these great cars.

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Hey, I'm collecting money for restoring my grandfather's Alfa Romeo Giulia Spider Veloce, and I was wondering the price for restoring the vehicle. So, I put it as a goal. The painting is in great condition, the engine (that's in the car) is too big (I already found the right engine), all it really needs is the interior and mechanical stuff.
Where are you?
One of the huge price factors in determing how much a restoration will cost, provided you canīt do anything yourself, is your location, are you in Italy, Germany, GB, USA etc itīll cost a fortune (especially with rusted bodies), some other countries like India, the east block ex communist countries etc are cheaper, but as the body of your car seems to be ok and the car is more or less complete (?), your resto cost doesnīt need to be a killer.
Also very hard to judge/say without lotīs of detailed pics !!!

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DMA,

I'm about to conclude the third year of a one-year restoration of my 1964 Giulia Spider. If this is your first adventure with restoring an Alfa, there are a host of things that you cannot begin to imagine that will require much more time, effort and money regardless of what level of "restoring" you might envision for your car.

You do not mention your location, experience you've had with previous restoration work, or automobile work, in general, and that's your business. In addition to the wealth of incredible advice, information, and entertainment available here on the BB, I would suggest that you click on the 'Forums' tab and scroll down to and check out the International and North American AROC chapters; there may be one (or a member of one) located close to you.

Local Alfa chapters are great places to meet some friendly folks with lots of experience, knowledge, encouragement and elbow grease (if you supply some food and drink) to help with your project. The AROCOK (Tulsa, OK) chapter continues to be a source of all the above and more.

If you are willing to do so, you might post the Spider’s VIN and the engine numbers (photos are always appreciated and helpful) as some members have books or have started registries with data referring to build dates, car model types, what range of engines were probably installed in which cars, but more knowledgeable members can guide you through that maze.

All the best with your project; it will be an exciting, eventful and worthwhile journey and not at all what you expected. The Italians have a wonderful expression: “Non tutte le ciambelle (cham-bay-lay) riescono (ree -es-cono) col buco”, “Not all doughnuts come out with a hole.” In short, “It’s not what you expected, but you’ll enjoy it, just the same!” I’m sure your grandfather would be both pleased and proud.

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You have asked the members here for advice. The picture in your header is far too small to learn anything from. If you don't want to post more pics, ok, but if you want useful input we'll need to see lots of pics, up close, and all over and under the car.

As to engine...

The value would be most with the engine originally installed in the car.
If that is not available, the next preference would be a 1600 Veloce engine from the same year.
If that is not available, a 1600 Veloce from another year.
If that is not available, a 1600 non-101 Veloce, but with all the Veloce parts installed.

Most non-Veloce cars are not so heavily devalued by non-correct parts. If your car is a true Veloce, the tiniest details can have a big impact on both the cost to restore, and the resulting market value.

That is either good or bad news depending upon your own skills and finances.

Don P
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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1963 Giulia Spider Veloce

History: I don't really know the story on how My grandfather, Bob, got the car, but I can tell you mine. Almost a year ago, my grandfather died, a few months after he had a stroke, and I decided to look around his house and check his stuff. Now, I never go to his basement until that time. I came down and I saw the car. I thought, "****, that's a pretty nice car." Since I became fascinated with old cars, I took pictures of all of his alfas that he owns today. I wanted the Giulia so bad that I'm raising money for it.
There is a contradiction there: in 1963 the Series 101.18 Giulia Spider Veloce had not yet been offered.

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Sorry, I'll try to put all the picture (from my phone) to the computer or use an actual camera with SD card to apply it on the computer.

Also, thanks for everyone's advice. I'm pretty new to the website, and I'll answer most of your questions.
1. I'm from the United States
2. All I know from the car is the number 101-18, and it states that it's a Giulia Spider Veloce. Not very sure what year, I'm pretty sure it a 60's car.
3. The engine I found has the number 1600cc, so I assume that's the engine that could work for the car.
4. I'm just under 18 years old, and have little car experience.

That's all I know, so far. I'll try to collect more info whenever I come to my grandma's house.

DMA

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See; these guys are a veritable library of Alfa info.

My '64 Giulia Spider Abnormale will never be for sale, but it will never have the $$$ value of a Veloce, but that means nothing to me.

But if you do have a genuine Veloce, it is worth following ALL the advice the BBers have to offer. We all understand and appreciate the value of a 750-101 Veloce, be it Sprint or Spider.

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George,

When did the Giulia Veloce Spiders appear? Weren't they a "fill-in" until the Duettos were produced?

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See; these guys are a veritable library of Alfa info.

My '64 Giulia Spider Abnormale will never be for sale, but it will never have the $$$ value of a Veloce, but that means nothing to me.

But if you do have a genuine Veloce, it is worth following ALL the advice the BBers have to offer. We all understand and appreciate the value of a 750-101 Veloce, be it Sprint or Spider.
According from the hood, it states spider.

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DMA,

What's the VIN?

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DMA,

When I ran the VIN of my Spider through Central Documentation
I was informed that my Spider was built on April 15, 1964, and sold to Alfa Romeo Newark, NJ, on July 26, 1964, even though it was titled as a 1966 model.

The BB guys informed me that my engine might have been installed in a 1963 Sprint, originally. Greig Smith, a true 750-101 guru from South Africa, thinks it might just be a leftover engine that got installed during a shift in production sights and things were just being used up rather than being relocated to the new facility.

I'll take it as that would mean that my 1600 engine,#00112.06212, is original to my Spider. That just raised the value by $10

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