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post #61 of 74 (permalink) Old 02-15-2017, 09:17 AM Thread Starter
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Thumbs up Let's avoid being slammed!

Gordon,

By all means, I wish to avoid being SLAMMED!

As I have never driven a Spider, and thus am not familiar with how a OEM set up should ride, stock springs will be the logical choice.

Please send the photos and all advice is most appreciated.

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You need to see these components to know how they work. For racing Alfa offered nesting spacers front and back to adjust ride height with different springs in the racing parts book. You could buy individual spacers, or sets. Today these can be easily made up from aluminum stock if you have a good size lathe.
I'm guessing that different spacers were used on Sprint / Spider/ SS bepending on chassis assembled weight, IF springs were the same. Remember that Alfa factory springs were relatively soft rather than stiff from the factory. Others will know more.....


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I looked at a picture of my 1964 Spider taken when new in October 1963 and the front wheel spacing - tire tread to wheel arch - was uniform around the arc.
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Chazz,

How much space between the two? Can you post the photo?

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I have seen Spider with what appears to be an inordinate amount of space between the tires and the wheel well openings while others not so much. Is this due to spring height or are the plates the springs rest in different on U.S cars?
I would say that those "off road" spiders are the result of aftermarket springs that are too long / too stiff. Suppliers can find aftermarket springs that have the proper diameter and uncompressed length to fit a 750/101, the but the light weight of these cars doesn't compress those springs much, leaving the car too high.

The problem of US delivery cars sitting higher in order to meet DOT headlight height requirements came later, around 1970.

Which begs the question: Where can you get proper springs for a 750/101 intended for street use? Not ultra stiff, proper ride height - e.g., like the stock springs.

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Seat rail parts; something else I need

After sorting out a host of parts, I have discovered that I have the roller sections of the seat rails for my '64 Giulia Spider, but not the parts that bolt to the floor of the car, itself.

I have no idea what the missing parts look like, so I'm hoping someone has some good photos to post.

Anyone know of a source for these items?. I've looked at complete sets for sale on the 'net, but don't want to spend the $500+, when all I need are the bottom four pieces.

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You can see what the trolleys & tracks look like on this thread:
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Ray, I am pretty sure Classics Alfa is now selling them. Call and speak to Filipo.


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After sorting out a host of parts, I have discovered that I have the roller sections of the seat rails for my '64 Giulia Spider, but not the parts that bolt to the floor of the car, itself.

I have no idea what the missing parts look like, so I'm hoping someone has some good photos to post.

Anyone know of a source for these items?. I've looked at complete sets for sale on the 'net, but don't want to spend the $500+, when all I need are the bottom four pieces.

Thanks,

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I would say that those "off road" spiders are the result of aftermarket springs that are too long / too stiff.
Or how they actually were back in their day. Modern and restored/suped-up cars are so much lower that we are shocked when we see an original.

Look at 105 GTVs, a genuine height one is rarer than hens teeth
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While I've sent the dogs out to sniff out some seat tracks for me, I decided to contribute to the restoration of another '64 Giulia Spider
that is owned by Jennie Cluck, a long-time, Tulsa member of the AROC of Oklahoma. Jennie and Scott Fowler, club VP, are much farther along
on her restoration than I am on mine.

Jennie's car came with Giulietta seats frames, so she and Scott sourced some correct frames that were rusted horribly and eaten in two in some places. She had all the trolley and track pieces, and though rusty, they were nothing like the frames.

Scott brought them over and I put everything into my 100 gallon electrolysis tank and cooked them for 2-3 days. I only took a couple "before" photos, but the "after" ones show how nice everything turned out.
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Photo orientation assistance, please!

OK, I gotta have some help with these photos! Every one was taken with the phone in portrait position; straight up. Why are these photos lying on their side in a landscape position?

One of you iPhone techies needs to offer me some love on this or I'm gonna have to call my 9 year-old grandson, Isak, for help!

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I download photos from my phone to my computer first, then using Microsoft Paint I check their orientation, size (reduce them) and save them again (as this reduces the number of bytes). Now they are ready to attach to the BB or any other site.

Straight from the camera and you are playing a lottery.
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Tomorrow, I'm taking my repro Veloce headers to be Jet-Hot coated in OKC; I could ship them, but it will be a great day for a road trip for me and the Mrs.

I'm taking a pair of Giulia Super headers for our Alfa club VP, Scott Fowler; his Super is white, so he's going with a white coating.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to go with a silver color or a polished look. I know the silver is more in line with the OEM look, but I've seen a couple of 101 1600 Spiders with the polished coating and it looks really good. George K and TKO have headers that look to be the polished coating and it looks great with a black cam cover.

When I get back from OKC, I'll take a couple of tons of stuff to the zinc plater and powder coater. This marks a new direction in my restoration as this will conclude the cleaning and rust removal and refinishing of all the front and rear suspension pieces, all the fasteners, brackets, engine and transmission supports and other stuff that came in dozens of unmarked sandwich, quart and gallon zip lock baggies.

In light of some incredible sheet metal work we've seen lately here on the BB, having headers, nuts & bolts, and other bits sorted may not seem like a big deal to most, but it signals the "reassembly"phase of the restoration has begun. Frankly, I'm stoked, or whatever it is that they say, these days

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Ray, FIT THEM TO ENGINE CHASSIS BEFORE Jet Hot. Otherwise you may need to re-Jet Hot after applying custom fitting bends to the headers. Note that USED headers will fit engines, but not all chassis, and NEW headers may require fitting to the head, then collector "Y" and finally the chassis. Torch heat is required for perfect fit, and will ruin coatings.


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