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More than pictures!

Einar,
I NEED the discussion! The photo's are great, however the discussion of how you do this is most interesting. I have several friends that can beat panels in aluminum or steel, but the discussion of why and how is the important part to me. I will never have your skill but the knowledge of why a job is done a particular way is very useful. I will send you an e-mail with some photo's that may help, as you can see how Alfa made this panel when they put the cars together.
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So I might as well type the text in norwegian then since you just look at the pictures?
but only if the pictures are in Norwegian too! As it is now I'm enjoying your Norwegian accent in your English text just fine.
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Gordon: pls share the pictures with us
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:24 PM
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Factory Giulia/Giulietta nose sheet metal

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Smile The end of Summer

Einar,

Now that Summer is officially over I was hoping you would continue with your excellent Metal Working class...

My Sprint awaits, and I just refurbished my 2nd hand Mig welder


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Old 09-25-2008, 10:30 PM
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Summer's over?!! This is depressing.
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Not quite ready yet.

I'm now the proud owner of a huge hole in the ground, into which a new workshop is supposed to fit. But so far just a hole with a flat bottom. I really hope winter does not plan on starting early this year.

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Old 09-26-2008, 10:44 AM
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We all hope not as well Einar. We miss your posts and photo documentation! Think warm for a while!
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Yeah, I think warm. It just does not help much. It's still -17degrees outside! Maybe it would help if I used the Fahrenheit scale. Then it's still positive at 1.4degrees.

Not much done with the car. I have been doing some experimenting though. The boot floor is just a huge hole as it is now. And I've been trying to make the beads in a panel to make a new one, but after putting in the beads it looks like a huge Pringles potato chip with beads in it! Some experimenting have given me confidence I can actually do it and end up with something useable.

Take 1 is to shrink down the continuation of the bead afterwards using the OA welder and shrink it down. A well known method, but it's not easy on a flat sheet.

Take 2 is to stretch the bead area (in the English Wheel) before beading. This is a pretty well known method. The bad news is that it's very difficult to know how much to stretch. But in the case of the boot floor the beads are quite large, so it seems it will not easily be stretched too much.

Next month we will have a metalshaping gathering here and I will probably use the opportunity then to do it. I cannot easily handle such a big part in the Ewheel alone, and then there will be someone else with some experience to help. With 2 guys working a sheet in the Ewheel both need to know what to do. It's like synchronizing 2 brains through a big sheet of 0.7mm steel plate.

Then that will probably not be perfect, so it will be a combination of the 2 above.

I also tried out shrinking using just a hollowed out tree stump and a mallet. It looks almost like magic when you see it demonstrated, and it's quite easy to think "I could never do that". Well try it! I did, and if nothing else it's a great morale booster. It always is when you find you can do magic.

I'll see if I can post some photos, but it's not easy holding the camera while banging on a piece of metal. So if you're interested, please try www.Metalmeet.com/Forum where sheet metal magic is explained. I think I mentioned that before.

I also need to understand how to make a reverse shape in order to make the transitition from the headlight to the nose piece. I think the coin have dropped on that one too. A reverse shape is ... ahh not easy to explain, but a potato chip is a reverse shape. It is neither concave nor convex, but rather both. One guy at Metalmeet explained it as a shape that will not hold water no matter which way you hold it. If you go back a bit and look at the flexible pattern from the front piece I showed you, there is such a shape.

I will try to show you some of this but if you actually want to learn how to, then I already told you where to go.
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Long time nothing happened.
Yes, I plead guilty. I won't bother you now with why nothing happened. Main thing is next week I will get some (more) concrete poured, then I'll switch to working on the Alfa. I promise more work will be done this winter.

I've been looking for a good picture taken straight from the side of a car from a long distance. And I found one in Pat's thread. Pat, It's taken outside what looks like a comercial building with your car + a white one. Your car is in this picture viewed from what looks like an exact 90 degrees out from your left front wheel. Could you crop it to just your car and post it in full resolution?
It's the 2nd picture in this post: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/giul...tml#post787485

Long distance is good because the distortion is minimal. And 90 degrees angle is good for the same reason.

And to Gordon: The front panel you show in a previous post here, is the lower part complete? In some pictures it seems it curves more in under the car. And there's a hole in it. Probably to drain the radiator through. That part I have to make too. As the pictures show the parts of my own front that I can use pretty much are the grille openings and what's between them, plus most of the upper curve.

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Sorry, but it looks like I don't know how to crop this picture; I can send you the file and you can play with it yourself; let me have your e-mail address.
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Thanks Pat.
My email address is in my sig. Just replace (AT) with the "monkey tail letter" @ and (DOT) with a dot. I don't like to make it too easy for the email harvesting robots. ;-)

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Old 11-02-2009, 03:23 PM
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"And to Gordon: The front panel you show in a previous post here, is the lower part complete? In some pictures it seems it curves more in under the car. And there's a hole in it. Probably to drain the radiator through. That part I have to make too. As the pictures show the parts of my own front that I can use pretty much are the grille openings and what's between them, plus most of the upper curve." E.S.

Here are 2 I have. One is the factory nose panel replacement. It ends before the "underpan" you refer too. The other is a picture of my cat taken at a lower angle for you. This may NOT be what you need. If you describe what you need to see, using these two pictures as a starting point, I can get you details required. On my car, the area painted black is correctly red, but race track activities years ago dinged it up enough so I straightened it and used a vinyl black textured paint.
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underpan

If memory serves me correct, and I'll admit it's been a long while since I owned a Giulietta Spider, I seem to recall the nose under pan to parallel the lower crossmember from side to side. I think there was a tab welded from the center bottom to the cross member to support the pan. Your recollection may differ

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