Giulietta/Giulia Spider Register

[Tommy_Escuderia]

Hello,

It's my first post in this forum. My name is Tommy (from Bartholomeu not for Thomas) and I from Mallorca a little island in Spain. I've got two Alfa an Alfetta GTV 2000 L (1980) (not plastic model) and the Italian Girldfriend Giulietta Spider 750 D

Model: Giulietta Spider 750D
Chassis number: *1495*02791
Built: 8/10/57
Sold: 26/11/57 in Caracas.
Original colour: Black
Original Engine: 1300 cc 750 D --- 1315*42512 (I've got it!!!! But it's broken)
Current Engine: 1300 --- 101
Current colour: Red with black interior
Current state: Conserved - Never Restored (It works very well but I want to put the original engine and gear box)

The most important problem of this car was that in Venezuela the owner repaired all the problems with very very bad solutions... Changed the original lights, put a diferent air filter, ... Even when the original gear box and engine had broken, he put a 101 engine with its correspondent 101 gear box but he didn't meseaure the diference between the supports with the SWB and the LWB... so there's a disaster. Someone knows how to repair it?????

Thanks a lot, and sorry for my English...

Some 2006 photos (now it's in better conditions):








Before and after of my own work:

[Gordon Raymond]

Hi Tommy,
Your English is FINE, WELCOME! The nice combination for the older 750 cars is either a 101 or 750 1300, with a 1400 cc kit, with a modern 5 speed behind it in place of the older tunnel case 4 speed. Few parts are available for the old tunnel case as compared to the 5 speed. Some parts need to be swapped around to mount this transmission properly. This has been covered in other posts, but you need a 101 bellhousing, and , I believe a 101 tailhousing for the transmission. A 101 transmission rear crossmember will either fit, or require minimal modification to fit. As your car is a Normale, rather than a Veloce, all this is somewhat simpler as the engine is not tipped with the engine mounts. Save all the 750 parts removed as to a pure collector that is willing to spend the money on restoration, they have value. !01 components are easier to locate and rebuild. Finally the transmission hole for the shift lever may need relocation, work for a good body man. I have seen 750's converted to 101 drivetrains, and then later as funds allowed, converted back to 750's! There is a BB member currently installing a 1750 with a 5 speed, into his 750 spider, while he rebuilds the 750 engine. He will keep the 5 speed. I have a customer that has a very nice 750 Sprint Veloce, with it's original 750 Veloce engine with a 1400 cc kit, but a more modern 5 speed behind it. A wonderful car. I hope my ramblings here is of some help. If you have other questions, there are many BB members with experience with these cars.

[Subtle]

Welcome to the BB--nice project

[Tommy_Escuderia]

Thanks a lot Gordon,

But one of the things that I want to do it's to put the orginal engine and gear box (the genuine with which the car left the factory), because fortunately I could found these parts but these are in a very bad condition...( I know that it's better to put a 5 speed gearbox and a 101 engine with the 1400 kit but I prefer to conservate the genuine specifications with the genuine serial number) So while I've been restauring the old engine and gearbox I want to put in order the 101 engine with the 4 speed 101 gear box that now are installed in my car... because the old owner made a disaster cutting the crossmembers and the tunnel to pass the newer gearbox(See photos)... I've bought new crossmembers, and some diferent new parts to remplace the damage old ones... but one of the problems is that the 101 engine and gearbox isn't aligned and this produce a lot of vibrations... At the begining I thought that the cardan worked compressed because the 101 gearbox is larger than the 750 ... but now reading diferents thread I realized that it isn't true... It could be the support of the cardan (2nd photo) because as you can see it's a hand made one...

In finish, the old owner was a disaster!!!

The transmision hole...



The cardan support:



The crossmembers...



Thanks a lot and best regards!

[Gordon Raymond]

Tommy,
You are right. It looks like a very nice car. A few questions. Have you contacted Alfa to see what the original color was? The engine compartment is painted the same as the body color. With a black engine compartment, the car should be black. You are very correct, the previous owner did make a mess of things. The easiest part to correct with a good body worker is the hole in the tunnel. Both the transmission support and cross member need replacement. I have a 101 transmission support for a Normale, restored, hanging on my shop wall (for years now). I do not know if this is the same as a 750 or could be easily modified. Check here on the BB for the answer to that one. The hacked up cross member behind the engine, also looks like it is the same as the 101 part. You would have to check this as well. Most 750 parts get used up in restorations very
quickly here in the US. You might try posting some WANTED listings here on the BB for parts required. I admire your efforts to get this car back to it's AS BUILT condition. Many of those that attempt this in the US, do it step by step, using alternate drive train components until they have all else correct, and to allow the time necessary to source all the hard to locate component parts. Read Patrick Hung's postings here on the BB for an excellent discussion with lots of photos of the job he has done. Also please contact him to enter your car's correct Chassis and Engine numbers in his register. Keep us informed of your progress and needs. Many here have the odd part that avoids massive custom fabrication problems. (Like your drive shaft support!) I hope this is of help!

[Tommy_Escuderia]

Thanks a lot Gordon,

The original colour is a beatiful Black, but is the only thing that I'm doubting to change it, because all my "Scuderia" (Classic Car Team) are red...
The original engine number is the same that I put in the Register... I verified it with the Archivo Storico Alfa Romeo and the engine that is installed now is this: AR1315*801293. I've got the new supports, crossmembers, and several new parts to repair the disaster, but I've got some doubts about how put in the correct place, because all the screw holes on the chassis were changed... but well I think that the best thing is to be patient and with the calm put all in order...

Thanks a lot for the help!!!!! No doubt that if I'll need something I'll posted in the forum, and I'll inform you about the progress... the next thing is to put the correct lights... changed for a General Electric ones...

Best Regards!

And sorry for my English, I'm sure that I write with a lot of mistakes...

[AlfaPDent]

Patrick,

The details of my car are as follows:

Model / Type: 101 Giulia 101.19 GD (right hand drive)
Chassis Number: 383007
Date of manufacture: 22 Jun 63
First Owner: Capt Emson bought the car in Aden in July 1963
Colour: Bleu Medio with cream interior
Status: currently having some restoration done (still)

Does anyone know of a surviving earlier right hand drive Giulia (ie chassis number less than 383007)?

I purchased the car in Oct 05, then ran it for a year or so. I then took it off the road in May 07 to do a little work to it and hopefully it will be back on the road by the end of this year. We refer to her as Moneypenny due to the 007 chassis number, amongst other reasons.

[pathung]

Tommy and Phil, both of your cars have now been added to the register on the first page. Thank you for submitting your cars' information.

[pathung]

Phil, having slotted your car in its rightful place (chassis number-wise), I noticed that some '64 Giulias had earlier chassis numbers than your '63 RHD; would you know why? Anything to do with your car's being RHD?

[Tommy_Escuderia]

Thanks Patrick,

Only one thing, the date of "Built" is 8 Oct 1957, sorry because I wrote it in the Spanish format... (8/10/1957) instead of 10/08/1957.

Thanks again.

[turbobuick]

Hi Patrick,
another car I have spider veloce 391065 red black interior, unrestored driver.
1965 titled as 66

[pathung]

Tommy and turbobuick, your info. has been updated; thanks!

[Ian Evans]

Here's one I have never seen....

eBay.be: Alfa romeao Giulietta Berlinetta 1960 (objet 230263329418 Fin: 21-Juin-08 19:01:45 CEST)

Ian

[lgbalfa]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlfaPDent Patrick, The details of my car are as follows: Model / Type: 101 Giulia 101.19 GD (right hand drive) Chassis Number: 383007 Date of manufacture: 22 Jun 63 First Owner: Capt Emson bought the car in Aden in July 1963 Colour: Bleu Medio with cream interior Status: currently having some restoration done (still) Does anyone know of a surviving earlier right hand drive Giulia (ie chassis number less than 383007)? I purchased the car in Oct 05, then ran it for a year or so. I then took it off the road in May 07 to do a little work to it and hopefully it will be back on the road by the end of this year. We refer to her as Moneypenny due to the 007 chassis number, amongst other reasons.