Sprinting About

[pathung]

Saw this car at the Alameda Show today - don't know who owns it. Do you, Peter?

[Subtle]

Recent pics + + +

[Marco750B56]

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Originally Posted by pathung Giulietta/Giulia Sprint Owners, This thread was originally intended to be a questions/answers forum for Sprint owners; it's however evolved into more of a Sprint registry of sorts that includes cars/owners globally, which is just as well. Please note that all Sprint owners are welcomed to submit their car's information by posting it here in this thread, or by sending it to me in an e-mail (pathung@gmail.com). If you would like to keep your real name confidential, please do not include it in your post (the BB handle suffices), and if you choose to e-mail me, advise me of your preferences. By the way, Sprint Zagatos (as well as its variations) are also welcomed, as I know a lucky few of you have one lurking around in the back of the garage. Below is a list of information for each owner's car. Please provide me with the following information: Car Year Car Model (Normale/Veloce/Confortevole/Allegerita/Tall/Grande/Venti/Extra Hot (if you're confused, DON'T let me know)) Chassis Number (stamped on the firewall in the engine compartment, passenger side LHD) Build Date (month and year of manufacture - this info. can be obtained by e-mailing: ArchivioStorico@alfaromeo.com, to the attention of Mr. Marco Fazio (Mr. Magro retired) Engine Number (stamped somewhere on the block) Original Color (official Alfa code/name, please) Photo Post (we're all suckers for a good photo - let me know if you need help posting photos) LASTLY, if you find this thread useful, please kindly donate to the AlfaBB by scrolling to the top of this Web Page, and clicking on the "Site Donations" link in the green menu bar. Thanks in advance on behalf of all BB members. SORTED by vehicle chassis number (ascending): #1493.00024 B. 5 Jan, 1955 Twin Cam (Paul Gregory - U.K.): 1955 Giulietta 750B #1493.00555 B. 4 Jul, 1955 williamcorke: 1955 Giulietta Normale 750B Engine # AR 1315.00541 Sold on the 7th July 1955 to Bonniers Bilbolag from Stockholm, Sweden. The body colour is Alfa red." #1493.00871 Collivanfan (Tony Stevens - England): 1955 Giulietta 750B #1493.01149 B. 16 Nov, 1955 Tony Ranson (U.K.): 1955 Giulietta 750 Sold 26th November 1955 in Italy Colour ; Azzuro Capri. Never restored with 50K original miles!! #1493.01398 First Max Hoffman Sprint in the U.S Glenn Oliveria (U.S.): 1955 Giulietta 750 . Painted red in Nov.1955, and delivered to Max Hoffman in December. It came equipped with small (6") headlights, column shift, and "pistol grip" starter mechanism. #1493E.01722 B. 3 May, 1956 Twin Cam (Paul Gregory - U.K.): 1956 Giulietta Veloce 750E (2nd Week of Veloce Production) Engine 1315 30025. #1493.02095 B. 8 May, 1956 Photos Marco56750B (Marco Pestana - Madeira Island): 1956 Giulietta Normale 750B Sold in Portugal May 09 1956 Engine # AR 1315.02131 (Rosso Alfa 501) Bertone #652001 #1493.02231 domgul (Dominic Gulotti - Switzerland): 1956 Giulietta Normale 750B #1493.03510 B. 12 Oct, 1956 cervara: 1956 Giulietta Normale 750B Sold in Palermo Italy 15/01/57 Engine AR1315.03211 Black #1493.05021 B. 18 Jul, 1957 divotandtralee (Rick Lesniewicz, U.S.): 1957 Giulietta Normale 750B Original engine #1315-04456 Color: Biarritz Blue (Light Blue Metallic). Bertone No. 4410*. First sold to Auto Koeng (dealership) in Munich Germany. Being restored. #1493E.04347 B. 27 May, 1957 Alleggerita GTA2: 1957 Giulietta Veloce 750E Engine 1315.30526 , Bertone body 77468 Sold to MOCAR in Lisbon, Portugal on 16 September 1957. #1493E.04700 B. 19 Apr, 1957 Alleggerita alfazagato (Stuart - U.K.): 1957 Giulietta Veloce 750E Engine #30481 Bertone #77500 CONRERO SPECIAL #1493.05262 B. Aug, 1957 AlfistiSA (Greig Smith - S. Africa): 1957 Giulietta Normale 750B Sold 2nd October 1957 to London, GB. (Black 901). The engine belongs to the serie AR 1315. #1493.05388 B. Aug, 1957 sprintgtc (Mike Macaulay - U.S.): 1957 Giulietta Normale 750B Engine # 1315 04771 Sold in France. Light blue with blue/grey interior. Original engine, column shift, small headlights. Last licensed in 1974. Not rusty, just covered in Cosmoline and dust. #1493.05704 B. 5 Nov, 1957 Richard Fritz (U.S.): 1957 Giulietta Normale 750B Engine #1315.05174 Original Color: Light Grey (AR 706). First sold in 1959. #1493.05880 B. 28 Nov, 1957 AlfistiSA (Greig Smith - S. Africa): 1957 Giulietta Normale 750B Sold 18th February 1958 to Johannesburg, South Africa (Color Grey) #1493.06150 lykkeberg (Thomas - Denmark): 1958 Giulietta Normale 750B (Rosso Alfa 501) #1493E.06193 B. 6 Feb, 1958 Confortevole AlfistiSA (Greig Smith - S. Africa): 1958 Giulietta Veloce 750E #1493E.06482 Confortevole davisfamily (U.S.): 1958 Giulietta Veloce 750E Engine #: 1315.30988 #1493E.06552 Confortevole OrazioSatta (Dave Strus - U.S.): 1958 Giulietta Veloce 750E Engine No. 1315 30984 Bertone No. 655941. #1493E.06559 B. Mar, 1958 Confortevole AR58SprintV (Laurence - U.S.): 1958 Giulietta Veloce 750E Engine 1315*31233, Bertone 655948*A*, Rosso 501 1493E.06917 B. 1 Sep, 1958 Photo alfa_soon (Matt - U.S.): 1958 Giulietta Veloce 750E (Amber White/Blue-Grey)] 1493.07493 Emmo (Dave Emerson - U.S.): 1958? Giulietta Normale 750B (Celeste, now White) #1493.08635 B. 18 March, 1959 6alfas (Chuck - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 750B Sold in U.S. (Originally Orchid White, now Resale Red) #1493.08657 101 Alfa Mike (U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 750B Transition (Color?) #1493.09143 Mario.D (Mario Di Nardo - Venezuela): 1959 Giulietta Normale 750B Engine #131507827 Color Blue #1493E.09917 Tom Trabue - U.S.: 1959 Giulietta Veloce 750E #1493.10060 B. 1959 Carlos Vasconce: 1959 Giulietta Normale 750B Sold to Portugal Bertone #659450 Engine #08822 #1493.20051 B. 28 Aug, 1959 cstlhn (David Castelhano - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 101 Bertone #659742 (Tornado Blue) First sold on 9 September, 1959 to N.S.U. Werke in Germany #1493.20102 ste10105 (Steve - U.S.): 1559 Giulietta Normale 101 #1493.20198 B. 6 Oct, 1959 BlpltGTV (Will Campbell - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 101 and sold on the 12th October 1959 to N.S.U. Werke, Germany. Red. #1493.20379 alfa soon (Matt - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 101[/url] , Red #1493.20663 B. 30 Oct, 1959 rcess (Bob - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 101 #1493.20753 steve o (Steve O'Brien - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 101 (Red) #1493.20841 B. 28 Oct, 1959 Italiar79 (Reid Bertolotti - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 101 Sold to Hoffman Motor Car Co., New York on December 1, 1959. The original color was Red. #1493.21145 B. 27 Nov, 1959 pathung (Patrick Hung - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 101 Sold in U.S. 01/1960 (Originally White now Black) #1493.21412 B. 9 Dec, 1959 CarPoor (Pat - U.S.): 1959 Giulietta Normale 101 Transition (Red) S/N *86511002*, engine# AR1315*41232 #1493.21726 B. 11 Jan, 1960 AlfistiSA (Greig Smith - S. Africa): 1960 Giulietta Normale 750B Sold on the 22nd January 1960 to Johannesburg, South Africa. (AR 501 Alfa Red. #1493.21822 GTD (George - U.S.): 1960 Giulietta Normale 101 . Long departed; Scrapped in the '70's; probably had enough good metal left in her to return as a Toyota hub cap! #1493.22219 honeydojoe #158941 kafugelum308: 1961 Giulietta Normale Purchased in Feb 2008 and undergoing major engine rebuild. Original and present color white. #160835 B. 14 Oct, 1961 AlfistiSA (Greig Smith - S. Africa): 1961 Giulietta Normale 101 Sold on 2nd February 1962 to Achberg Robinson from Port Elizabeth. The body color is Gardenia white (AR 005) and the engine belongs to the serie AR 00102. #162558 B. 2 Feb, 1962 Alfadini (Walt - U.S.): 1962 Giulietta Normale 101 Sold to Régie Nationale Des Usines Renault, France. Azzurro iseo (AR 320) w/blue/Grey interior #350028 B. Jan, 1962 phila3885 (Phil): 1962 Giulietta Normale 101 Sold in Germany 07/62. Engine #AR 00102 30158 (Aqua di Fonte) #353011 B. 4 Aug, 1962 Concept 101 (Dennis): 1962 Giulia Normale Engine * 00112*01375 Sold in Sweden (Bluette AR 327 to become Rosso Alfa) #353755 B. 20 Sep, 1962 Ian Evans (U.S.): 1963 Giulia Normale Engine # 00112 * 02420 Sold to Hoffman Motor company 11/22/62 Exterior Gardenia white, Blue interior #354256; B 24 Sep, 1962 1750s (Russ): 1962 Giulia Normale 101112; (and sold 11.22.62 to a US citizen from CA via factory delivery); Engine AR00536*01620; gardenia white AR005. #357309 B. 16 Sep, 1963 bcavileer (Ben Cavileer - U.S.) 1963 Giulia Normale sold to Hoffman Motor Cars in NY on 10/08/1963. Titled as a 1964. Alfa Red. All badging correct as a Giulia 1600 Sprint. Under Restoration. #357362 Topolino: 1963 Giulia 101 #382004 Alfaseeka (Geoff, Australia): 1963 Giulia 101 Engine 00526*A5547 Bertone 6525468 Rudspeed RHD Previously dark blue now red

[yvesmontreal]

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Originally Posted by Marco750B56 Pat; Why dont add the Giulietta Sprint data in "Alfa vintage Register" ? Tks Marco

[pathung]

Yves is right; I'll get to the Sprint register once I finish the Giulietta Spider's. Guess what happens after the Sprint's? That's right - 105 Spiders. Call me crazy, but every classic Alfa model (pre '75) deserves to be appreciated with its own register, no?

[Gordon Raymond]

As these are all becoming classic cars, and the survival rate is reasonably high for cars not sold in mass quantities in the U.S., future owners will greatly benefit from your efforts Patrick. It wasn't that long ago that the same effort was done for all the manufactured Ferrari's. Now most cars histories are known, and buyers can check the register and document specific cars. The more information available about specific cars, the more secure from misrepresentation that particular car becomes.

[innocenti]

Hello, it's great looking at everybody else's cars. I just bought my car a week ago. My first Alfa was a 58 spider veloce, and then I drove a 67 Duetto for 8 years. Thos are gone, but my new neighbor saw that I have a lot of Vespa and Lambretta scooters, and thought I maybe interested in his dad's high school Alfa parked on the side of his grandparents house. It has 27,000 oriignal miles. "Crappy brakes" made them park it 10 years ago. After seeing it, I bought a 1962 Giulia 101.12 1600 Sprint. I plan to restore it keeping the Bluette paint color. Please add my info to the registry. Marco Fazio says that my car #AR354243 was manufactured Sept 21, 1962 and sold to Hoffman Motor Car Co. on Nov. 22. Hope to see some fellow AlfaBB'ers at future "Best of France and Italy" and Road Rally events. Thanks, Lee Herendeen -Palos Verdes Estates, CA

[Ian Evans]

Wow!! Nice find. Just a day newer than mine. Lets see more pictures when you get it out of the bushes. I would be VERY interested in seeing this car due to its originality and proximity in age to mine.

Ian
Fullerton

353755 9/20/62

[pathung]

Folks, due to my crazy ambition to keeping three Alfa registers at once, I find it quite taxing to update Thread No. 1 and the Google spreadsheet in parallel. Instead, I will be posting past and future submissions on this thread exclusively to the Google spreadsheet, with a link that will bring the reader back to the original submission post here in this thread, so no information provided by the "submitter" is lost. I will be doing the same with the Spider Register. The spreadsheet lets me sort/present the information in a variety of ways, which I think is more useful to viewers, and is possibly more accessible to owners who are not current BB members/users.

Please let me know if you have concerns or comments, and most of all, suggestions on how I can make the new spreadsheet register more useful/legible for you all. Thanks.

Below is a link to the Sprint/Spider/GT registers; there is also a link in my Signature.
Google Docs - Vintage Alfa Romeo Registry

[Ian Evans]

Interesting to see that Alfa confirms that the Sprint in the bushes above was built the day after mine, yet the ID number is 498 higher. Could Sprint production have been that efficient???? I think not. So what gives then? Were cars completed out of sequence based upon colors, options or some other unknown factor?

Ian

[iicarJohn]

Good question!

I think it quite likely that there were batches of cars that could skew things a bit. But, other variables were also present. A good portion of the build was done by Bertone and they had their own numbering system and schedule. Alfa Romeo was in Milano and Bertone in Torino. This means that batches of cars were shipped back and forth over the distance. The first car off the truck or train might not have been the first car back on the transport for the return trip?

Certain cars for certain clients might have been given a "rush" priority, either at Alfa Romeo or at Bertone or perhaps both? Then there was a governmental inspection process that resulted in the Certificato d'Origine being issued for each car. That part of the process might have varied a bit for cars intended for domestic consumption and export to various places? In any case, cars actually completed on different days might have been inspected and verified on yet another day or days and it could be that it is that inspection (and document issuance) day that is reported more often than not as the completion date?

There are other possibilities, but a 500 car numerical difference in cars "born" a day or two apart is no huge theoretical problem for production cars such as these. Now, if 600 cars had been built over a two year period, then we might want to start looking for reasonable explanations why these two cars were declared as having been "built" or "completed" on consecutive days. And, it would be nice to think that we can know the "why" in any case. It does not hurt to ask or consider the various "whys" that are possible. With enough data collected about each car, we might figure some of this stuff out.

Best regards.

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry

[GTA2]

John, I think the mistery of quantities and numbers will go on forever unless
Alfa Romeo make their handwritten ledgers public.
Presently I own 2 Sprints Veloce "lightweight" ;
AR1493E 03559 , body 77265 or 77285 (it is hard to read) engine 1315 30279
manufactured Jan. 04 1957 , colour Bianco Spagna and sold to Switzerland on Jan 15 , 1957 as per Certificate of Origin
This car is presently being restored after a hard rallying life.

The other car (currently for sale as it seems greedy to have two) is
AR1493E 4347 , body 77468 , engine 1315 30526 manufactured on May 27, 1957 but only sold to Portugal on September 16, 1957/ Colour White

Interestingly I know od another "Bianco Spagna" lightweight
AR 1493E 03807 , engine 1315 30359 manufactured February 5 , 1957.
It must have been a popular colour for 1957 only, unfortunately nobody seems
to be able to provide a paint code.
Maybe other register members can help.

[pathung]

I hope that it's okay to add your two lightweights to the register.

Aren't you able to obtain your cars' color code from the Archivio?