Install of a 2 L Into The Giulietta Spider

[Alfar7]

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Have put a couple of hours on the Spider and the gear box is still stiff, but beginning to loosen up.

[Subtle]

Rj

--it is a little difficult to engage first when stopped, but this is improving along with the shifting on the other gears.

Reverse is real easy.

Using Redline gear lube in the diff as you advised as well as in the gear box.

Haven't done any serious cornering so don't know about the LSD.

Pleased that you have uttered the "secret" about a 1962 , non-racer, having a LSD with carbon-fiber disks.

[Alfar7]

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--it is a little difficult to engage first when stopped, but this is improving along with the shifting on the other gears.

[Gordon Raymond]

R.J. I thought gription was a function of fat tires? Actually, that's only true with 'mericon iron.
Never having used the fiber LS discs, how do they differ in gription from the Alfa steel discs? I know they won't glaze up like the steel, but is the gription firmer at lower turning radius or about the same? The Jack Beck steel plates in my LS require engine torque as well as a radius turn to set up. The tighter the radius, and power applied, the more lock (opps, gription) provided. What I am asking here is: "Do the fiber discs alter this type of LS performance?" As a second thought, do they generate more, less, or the same amount of heat? Best, Gordon

[msiert]

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Originally Posted by Alfar7 Yeah, but you can miss a dance step when you have a big dick......

[Subtle]

Murray--"hot rod"--is not in keeping with the spirit of things--let's try to keep up the standards of taste.

Gordon-- When the job was done, Rj told me he had put carbon fibers discs in the LSD. In response to my "What" and "Wow", he said that the discs were lined with the stuff and that they wouldn't glaze when racing, engaged smoother and quieter.

I mentioned that other than a little track time, the car wouldn't be raced. Rj said that they "would see me out" and that is fine by me.

Over the years, he had a supply on hand and they were usually installed, in sets of four, in track cars. This distributes the torque 50/50, and this is too much, I'm told, for the street.

For some reason, he had two left over and after they were installed, he told me that I had won the lottery.

[Subtle]

First sunny and warm day of the season. As in up to 65 F.

Fourth time out and did a little more running up and down the gears, and the shifting is improving.

Also the taller first, second amd third are a a lot more useful. Along with the taller diff, it is a terrific improvement.

As calculated, 4000 rpm = 82 mph, and the two to one correspondence from revs to speedometer could be accurate. Will check the accuracy of the tach.

Perhaps the legendary over statement by the Italian speedometer has been corrected?

[Subtle]

Never had an Alfa with a LSD, but before going further I'll mention the fun of power launches with my Subie with the high-stall torque converter. You just hang on to the steering wheel and keep it pointed in the right direction. It has a LSD in the back and the auto-tranny has a computer that sends torque to the front or back.

Outstandingand the first 100 feet is sensational as the converter spins, revs rising and huge torque with all four wheels making traction. This is especially fun when making a right turn at an intersection onto a main road. Done properly it is amazing--fortunately I haven't done this trick to the point of losing control.

With the Spider yesterday I was starting a right turn onto a busy street in traffic when I noticed a car coming quickly through the intersection on his green.

This was faster than I first thought so I floored it--without knowing what the Alfa would do. My first thought was that the inside wheel would spin and the car would do a little oversteer. No--the inside wheel hooked up instantly and smoothly resulting in an interesting and quick departure down the street and a big.

[msiert]

Wow........... you went from scared to happy in 2.3 seconds. Becareful with that Spider, I want to drive it someday!

[Subtle]

Murray-- good line --"scared to happy"

A ride for sure -- maybe we could meet in Montana or Idaho.

Jemison is very good on older 2 L heads, so my plan for next winter will be to send my head to him for some valve and cam magic.

Always nice to have some performance option to look forward to.

[Gordon Raymond]

Subtle,
I enjoy my Giulia with it's LS as well. Interesting though that unless it's sliding, it does take some steering wheel effort to hold it into the fast turns under power and hooked up. It does push some. What fun!

[jgp racer]

I do have ALTERNATOR with internal regulator, spacers and adjusting bracket, ready to bolt up and it fits between engine and steering box.

Gp racer

[Subtle]

Welcome to the BB and to this thread--go for it--more juice at lower revs and greater reliability.

[Subtle]

The rad fan from Centerline is a nice bit of kit, but it can't be readily installed in a Giulietta Spider.

When I ordered it, Joe said he didn't know of anyone trying it.

The speed shop that I've been going to for a long time can do a variety mods, but even when trying to get a fit with the rad tilted forward there was not enough room. Machining something off the water pump housing seems too much. As was the idea of adding an inch to the wheelbase.

Nor is there room on the front side of the rad.

A small 9-inch fan would fit, but probably wouldn't move enough air for sufficient cooling on a hot day in traffic.

Now we know.--Won't fit a 101, but will fit in a 105.