The complete SVZ file

[martinue]

SVZ #04458 (Post 16+123)
19570520 or 27 production date: SVA, sold to Sergio Cannara
1958 raced by Cannara
1959 rebodied to SVZ double bubble, raced by Cannara, last record
2005-2006 for sale by Angelo Autocase, Italy: modified front, possibly with wrong VIN

SVZ #04657 (Post 17+30+38+45+66)
19570619 production date: SVA
1958 rebodied to SVZ
19580803 Nürburgring, Herbert Schultze, 1cl: first entry?
1958-1959 raced by Schultze, Germany, registration (B-YT 6)
19600215 sold to Bernd Degener, Germany, reregistered (OP-HH 4)
1960 raced by Degener
19610321 sold to Ernst Gertsch, Germany, reregistered (EM-M 47)
1961-1962 raced by Gertsch
19621009 sold to Wolfgang Steidle, Germany
1963 raced by Steidle
1964 for sale by Steidle
1975? sold to Hans Rammensee, Germany, who restored it
1983-1993 with Rammensee

SVZ #04717 (Post 45+58)
19570622 production date: SVA
195802 for sale by G.A.P., Paris, France
195803 sold to Bernard Consten/Jean Hébert, 50/50
195804 rebodied to SVZ: bianco, registered (643 EH 14)
19580518 Deutschland-Rallye, Hébert/Consten, 1oa: first entry
19580712 Critérium International des Alpes, Consten/de Lageneste, 1oa
19580831 Liège-Rome-Liège, Consten/Hébert, 1oa: last record
19581109 Tour de Belgique, Hébert/Consten, 1oa: not confirmed, they raced also a GiuliettaTI sometimes this year
195904? Zagato fitted the body to another chassis, possibly SVII #08780, registered (948 FA 14): not confirmed

SVZ/SVM #04718 (Post 18+45+177+178+179+180+181+182+195+203)
19570803 production date: SVA, sold to Carlo Antonio “Tony” Mognaschi, registered (GE 91196)?
19570815 Gaisberg, Mognaschi, 1cl: first entry
1957 raced by Mognaschi
1958 no records
1959? rebodied to SVZ: bianco, new registration (IM 17369)
19590705 Bolzano-Mendola, Mognaschi, 1cl: first entry?
1959-1960 raced by Mognaschi
1960? sold to Virgilio Conrero, Italy
19600409 Le Mans Test, DNS: but possibly running in practice?
196104? rebodied by Michelotti to SVM “La Goccia”
19610507 Monza, Francesco De Leonibus/Gino Munaron, 8oa, 7cl: first entry
1961 raced with De Leonibus/Munaron/Carlo Peroglio, Squadra Conrero
1962-1963 raced with Filippo?/Francesco Susinno in Sicilia, Italy, registered (CT 77821)
19640426 Targa Florio, Vito Sabbia/Gaetano Spampinato, 24oa, 7cl
19690914 Catania-Etna, Santo Sorbello, 2cl
1970 for sale by Sorbello
1984 Giulietta Day, Milano: rosso
2003-2004 for sale in Europe
2005 under restoration by Oldtimergarage Vetter, Switzerland

SVZ #05684
1957 production date: SprintNormale
1995 SVZ with that VIN for sale by Angelo Autocase, Italy: No history known, sold to Japan

[martinue]

SVZ #06184 (Post 19)
19580327 production date: SVC, sold to Pasquale Tacci, rebodied to SVZ, rosso
19580810 Trapani-Monte Erice, Tacci, 4oa, 1cl: first record
19600508 Targa Florio, Taormina/Tacci, 14oa, 2cl: last record

SVZ #06936 (Post 20)
19580801 production date: SVII, rebodied to SVZ: only record

SVZ #08780 (Post 21, 26)
19590325 production date: SVII, possibly rebodied with the panels of SVZ #04717 for Bernard Consten/Jean Hébert, registered (948 FA 14), not confirmed
19590510 Rallye du Limousin, Hébert/Consten, 1oa: SVZ or GiuliettaTI, not confirmed
19590524 Rallye Lorraine-Alsace, Hébert/Consten, 1oa: SVZ or GiuliettaTI, not confirmed
19600923 Tour de France, Pasquier/Steineach, 15cl: possibly #08780, not confirmed
1983-1984 Tour de France
1999? Alain Murraciole, France, sold
20031127 Genéve Auction: modified rear, sold to Richard Ballantine, United States
2007 still with Ballantine

SVZ #09403 (Post 22+46+49+50+51+94)
19590606 production date: SprintII, rebodied to SVZ, due gobbe, last ever produced, not confirmed
1994 with swiss registration (TI 147863): first record
2000 sold from Switzerland to Joe Senesac, United States
2003 sold to Rick Beress, United States
2005 sold to John Weinberger, United States: needs complete restoration

[martinue]

Still unknown
SVZ 1957 Jean-Pierre Schild, Switzerland (Post 23)
SVZ 1961 at Napoli (Post 24+134)
SVZ 1959 André Pilette/1960 Georges Berger, Belgium (Post 25+66)
SVZ 1958 at Reims: said to be the Berney car, but other livery (Post 27+134+185)
SVZ 1961 Ernst Furtmayr, Germany (Post 28)
SVZ 1997-2003 grigio in Japan: 2 cars (Post 31+95)
SVZ in Japan: light blue (Post 32)
SVZ 2004-2006 Kojima, Japan: rosso (Post 33)
SVZ double bubble rosso (Post 35)
SVZ grigio (Post 36)
SVZ 1958 Le Mans, Jean Hébert, destroyed (Post 37)
SVZ 1962-1963 Dieter Wipperfürth, Germany (Post 39)
SVZ 1958 Kurt Ahrens, Germany (Post 40)

[George J]

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Originally Posted by martinue SVZ #09403 (Post 22+46+49+50+51+94) 19590606 production date: SprintII, rebodied to SVZ, due gobbe, last ever produced, not confirmed 1994 with swiss registration (TI 147863): first record 2000 sold from Switzerland to Joe Senesac, United States 2003 sold to Rick Beress, United States 2005 sold to John Weinberger, United States: needs complete restoration

[tiger0529]

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Originally Posted by martinue SVZ #04458 (Post 16+123) 19570520 or 27 production date: SVA, sold to Sergio Cannara 1958 raced by Cannara 1959 rebodied to SVZ double bubble, raced by Cannara, last record 2005-2006 for sale by Angelo Autocase, Italy: modified front, possibly with wrong VIN

[rdcm1985]

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Originally Posted by George J The book is : Alfa Romeo Veloce: The Racing Giuliettas, 1956-63 It is available on Barnes & Noble for $299 USD. I have a couple copies, but not for sale. By the way; no way did Goccia ever do 272 kph. My car (with 1.5L) is running out of steam a little over 7100 rpm and 210kph and a standard rear end. Cheers, George

[rdcm1985]

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Originally Posted by martinue SVZ #03613 (Post 12+60 19570103 production date: SprintNormale 1957? rebodied to SVZ double bubble: not confirmed 19971120 London Auction, restored, said to be fully documented, sold: first record 2003-2005 with Larry Auriana, United States 2006 with Anthony Wang?, United States SVZ #03907 (Post 13+58 19570226 production date: SVA, sold to Sergio “Kim” Pedretti 1957 raced by Pedretti 195804? rebodied to SVZ 1958-1959 raced by Pedretti 19591011 Graz, Pedretti, 2cl: last record SVZ #04045 (Post 34+80+81+88+89+118+119+151+152 19570301 production date: SprintNormale 19600705? rebodied to SVZ, swiss registration (BE 125785): not confirmed, at this time the later SZ was already in production 1974? sold from Switzerland to Italy: not confirmed 197507 registered (PZ 99308): not confirmed 200003 for sale in Italy and Switzerland: first record, sold to Portugal 2000-2006 raced in Portugal and Spain 2006-2007 for sale in Belgium and Portugal SVZ #04069 (Post 14+55+77+123+127+132+133+134 19570321 production date: SVA, sold to Egidio Gorza, new car rebodied to SVZ double bubble, registered (FO 31763) 19570414 Giro di Sicilia, Gorza/Mucera, 10oa, 2cl: first entry, sometimes listed as #01613 1957 raced by Gorza 1958/1959 sold to Mario Bongiasca, new SVZ bodywork 1959-1960 raced by Bongiasca 1961? sold to Herbert Wrobel, Germany 1962 raced by Wrobel, modified front, sold 1985-1986 raced in Europe 19910510 Genève Auction, not sold 19920320 Tokio Auction: sold? 1999-2005 with Japanese owners SVZ #04249 (Post 15 19570317 production date: SVA, sold to Dario Sepe 1958/1959? rebodied to SVZ 1958-1959 raced by Sepe 1959-1960 raced by Silvio Mandato 1960 sold to Italian diplomate at Bombay, twice resold in India 2003 with Rajesh Malhotra, India 2006 with Manmohan Sahani, India, in parts

[rdcm1985]

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Originally Posted by rdcm1985 Just to set the record straight...The car was imported into India by an Italian Diplomat, raced in India in the late 60's, and sold in 1971 to Mr. Renato Velli, General Manager of ALITALIA AIRLINES, Bombay. Was resold twice before I bought it in 1990 & have owned it since then. The car is in Chennai, in Southern India. Manmohan Sahani is a friend who is helping me plan restoration of the car. Am trying to identify a good restorer in Europe to whom I can entrust the restoration at a reasonable cost. Need Engine, mechanicals, windscreens, etc; and total restoration. Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Rajesh Malhotra

[mubezzi]

I know that somewhere in the '57-'59 time frame my father was in an accident with hist first wife, while driving from Torino to Paris on Christmas Eve day. An oncoming truck drifted in front of them and my father was able to negotiate (Swerve) around the truck. His first wife was pregnant at the time but that accident ended the pregnancy. This accident also forced the reconstruction of the chassis, which is why the car resurfaced with the later 1958 SVZ panels.
I am assuming that my father later lost his car over a gambling related debt and this car is sitting in someone's personal collection....very quietly I might add. I would love to just sit in the drivers seat...
There is a restaurant in Paris...Le Volante (sp?)....has tons of photos on the wall depicting the cars and their drivers.

[iicarJohn]

Thank you to "mubezzi" and "rdcm1985" for their knowledge and observations!
Thank you as well to "martinue" who started this thread and for his synopses from which I will attempt to build a bit and add some possible insights. Some repetition may seem to be in order but I will try not to cover too much ground that has already been covered.

As mentioned earlier, I have gathered a few bits of information about some of these cars and am pleased to see bits of information offered by others. We are going to need more if we are to figure some details out. I would welcome input from anyone who has some real insights as to the possibilities offered below.

There is a chance that Giorgio Ubezzi might have been involved in more than one SVZ? There is a chance that he was the nominal "owner" of a car that was raced mostly by others? There are confusions and there may be a few errors in older references that have added to the confusions?

I did do research many years ago on the Torino plate (PRA Torino) that followed the original Milano plate issued for the SV N. 01944. Note that registration documents often do not tell the whole story and, aside from occasional errors, often do not reflect actual sales dates or details as the information recorded is sometimes based merely on declarations. In any case, from that document, it seems that AR1493*01944 was given a Certificato d'Origine on 26 April 1956 and was sold to Massimo Leto di Priolo in Milano. As we know, after crashing badly on the MM of 1956, the car was sent to Zagato and became the first SVZ, spawning additional similar examples and, arguably, perhaps the SZ and GTZ versions that followed. Regardless, Massimo raced the car quite a lot more in the Zagato-bodied configuration but it appears that he was essentially finished with it by late in 1957. It might seem likely (but would be incorrect to assume) that it was sold at about this time to Giorgio Ubezzi even though the sale was not recorded and made official until October of 1959 and the new Torino license issued 15 January 1960. More about this "sale" date will follow after I digress a bit from the Turin registration document information.

It is also possible that the car remained in Leto di Priolo's ownership (as implied by the registration document) and was simply used by other Scuderia Ambrosiana team members and friends including perhaps Ubezzi? A potential confusion is one photo that appears in print indicating that Ubezzi had the "ex-Abate" car. This is either in error or perhaps Ubezzi had two different cars (or the use of them?) at different or overlapping times?

In any case, Ubezzi raced an SVZ on the Rallye Sestriere in February of 1958 and finished 17th overall. I will upload a scan of a results listing from the ACI Notiziario CSAI for the event. I have a Bertazzini photo of an SVZ with Conrero markings on the '58 Sestriere event but am not sure yet it was this car as Abate also ran and finished 12th overall in an SVZ, so Ubezzi was (almost) certainly not in the "Abate" car at this time. The question is, was Ubezzi in 01944?

As an aside, it was an Abarth 750 Zagato Double Bubble that won overall and this was the event that gave name to the subsequent "Sestriere" cars that were built and sold by Abarth. Some of these "Sestriere" cars were "Double Bubble" and some of them were a smooth-roofed variation bodied in steel and having large and distinctive air scoops at the rear. The "Sestriere" version apparently had a specific level of mechanical preparation as there was a specific tipo designation given to the engine used.

Back to the SVZ, 01944: What might be this car with race #8 (listed as "ex Abate" by Alfa Romeo Veloce – The Racing Giuliettas (1989, by Donald Hughes & Vito Witting da Prato) photo on page 28) might perhaps be "Orville" (Jean Aumas) at the GP della Lotteria at Monza in June of 1959? I have not yet sought to confirm or deny this possibility. If it is Aumas, then it might tend to confirm that the car was indeed still owned by Leto di Priolo but was perhaps available for hire at that time? Or, to keep our minds open, it could be that Ubezzi (or another interim but unrecorded owner) rented the car out to others?

Returning to the PRA Torino document, there is the recorded sale date of 16 October 1959 to Ubezzi. In September of 1960, Ubezzi borrowed a significant amount of money against the car and then sold it the following month. The curious thing about this sale is that it is recorded that a certain Attilio Broletto sold the car on behalf of Ubezzi and the new owner was Broletto's wife! I suppose this could jive with "mubezzi" conjecture that the car was lost in a wager or as a gambling debt of some sort? In any case, Broletto's wife (Maria Di Gioia) sold the car in July of 1961 to Valentino Urbani who apparently borrowed some monies from a local bank in order to purchase the car, apparently keeping it in the Torino area.

It is there that the PRA Torino record ends except for a rather typical stamping in the 1980's that the car was essentially removed from the road with what we might call a "cancellazione d'ufficio" in response to an Italian law that demanded that any cars that had not been registered for the road over a certain period of time must be considered demolished.

More to follow?

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry

[mubezzi]

Also, if you notice, Giorgio was at LeMans in 1958 under Conrero and in 1960, he was self registered (private entrant). This coincides with the paperwork...

[dretceterini]

Interesting that the Abate car is listed as an SV Zagato and the Ubezzi car is listed simply as a Giulietta Zagato.

[mubezzi]

Here is the publication announcing my father's first marriage. This event was dedicated to Trintignant as he had recently perished in a race. This is after the accident I described earlier (Christmas Eve Day) as you can see that Marie Jean's face is pretty cut-up. Jean Behra is on the left...

[mubezzi]

Here are a couple photos of what I believe to be the '48 Italian GP. These are a couple Maserati's (#8 and #57). Picture on the left is before the race and the other is during, I'm speculating.

[dretceterini]

Looks to me like the stands at Valentino Park in Turin for the Italian GP on Sept 5th. Wimille won in an Alfa 158, with Villoresi's Maserati 2nd and Sommer's Ferrari 3rd. There was also a GP at Monza that year, but it was called the Grand Prix Dell'Autodromo.