Pininfarina Hard top?

[elbow2]

May be a silly question but does anyone know how rare the Pininfarina hard top is for the Giulietta Spider? I've got one on a 1960 Veloce spider
AR149510157. At least I was told it is a veloce, it came with complete head 40 DCO3 webers, proper air canister. Car has four mounting holes on fire wall where canister mounts. How do I confirm if it is a Veloce. . I bought three spiders and this was one of them. Throughs and comments welcome.



Thanks, Jim

[alfazagato]

Quite rare, but frankly, if you have a Spyder you really need to have the roof down. However there is a market for them.
Turning to the chassis, number Fusi records that 1960 Spyders start at chassis number 1495 *08538* to *11900* and 1960 Spder Veloces start at 10103 *167001* to *168733*. Clearly the Veloce line had gone over to 101 numbering but this suggest that you have a Spyder.
Along with the four M5 mounting holes for the air filter body there should be an air intake hole on the LH flitch panel adjacent to the "U" shaped front chassis member, a welded-on triangular bracket arrangement for the fuel filter on the RH flitch plate some 200 from the same "U" shaped member and finally there should be captive nuts on the chassis upper RH member for the coil mounting bracket. Internally a blanking plug for the choke pull and an 8000 rpm rev-counter. Externally, in the fresh-air inlet on the LH side there should be a division and an extension to the intake to take a separate feed to the air filter.
If you have all these then you are home and dry!

[Gordon Raymond]

I also have a question like Jim's. How rare are the hardtops for the Giulia spider that hook under the edge of the one piece trunk hinges like the soft top? Anyone know how many were made? How many in the U.S.?. It seems they might be even less common than the Giulietta hard tops as the Giulia production was shorter.

Thanks for ANY information! Gordon Raymond

[elbow2]

Thanks for the reply Stuart. I will post some pictures of the areas that you described that may help confirm veloce or spyder.
I bought three spyders at the same time with many boxes(truckload) of parts-- engine blocks( one with no serial #s maybe 1300?), air canisters,rear axles etc... just trying to sort things out and decide which car goes with what parts. The spyder with the hard top does have a 8000rpm tach and 140 speedometer. All cars are rusty and a lot of work needed, hope to bring them back to life and on the road. The previous owner told me the car was a 1960, but the old registration says 1961, does this make a difference when determining veloce or regular spyder? I'll shut up and post pictures!

[alfazagato]

Look forward to seeing them

[Robert Smulling]

Jim:

I bought my 1960 Giulietta Normale from a Delta Airlines pilot in So Cal and it came with the hardtop. He also had a "sister" car and it, too had the hard top. I brought the car up to Seattle and have not seen anyone else with the same hard top. The only time I drove the car with the hard top on was to move it from one storage garage to another while our house was being remodeled. When I do drive the car, the hard top is off. I have only had the soft top up once. I have to imagine that the hardtops are rare or at least, not many around?

Robert

[elbow2]

Here are some pictures of the spyder. Its in pretty rough condition but I would still like to know if its a veloce. I have the two spyders to compare and some of the differences I notice are:
tach one is 7000 max other is 8000
speedo 120 other 140
wheels elipitical slots are bigger on the car with the 140 speedo
air vent on drivers side behind headlight has a additional round screened vent on top(photo) other car does not.
Thanks for the help.
jim

[Gordon Raymond]

Jim,
I would say, yes it is a Veloce, and always was . NOT a converted normal.

Gordon Raymond

[alfazagato]

I would agree with Gordon.

[elbow2]

Thanks for the help, Now I can sort all the parts for each car. the hard top has surface rust but the inside is in pretty good shape. The hard top is # 10533 if that means anything. Thanks!

Jim

[Gordon Raymond]

I'm not sure how they numbered the tops . We need an old Italian guy that was there ! Most I've seen have a number tag as yours. I almost believe the numbers were random as a '60 Giulietta I once owned, with top, had a number that was lower than a '58 a friend had that his father purchased new with the top. Humm?
My late Giulia top NEVER had a # plate.

Very interesting. Gordon Raymond

[alfazagato]

I seem to recall that the hardtops had to be trimmed to fit. Chris Robinson told me that there was a certain amount of fettling to be done which might explain the numerical variation, i.e the one from stock that fitted easiest was used.

[Gordon Raymond]

Hi Stewat,
I like your reply to my top numbering question! This does explain a lot.
I have tried fitting my Giulia top, (late '65) to another earler car, and as you mention, it does not fit. Also explains why the PF top #'s don't progress numerically as the cars get newer!

Thanks! Gordon Raymond

[alfazagato]

Happy to help, hopefuly it is the right answer!