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Giulia SS Bondo Sculpture

First of all Happy New year to all. Now the good stuff!!!! I purchased this Giulia SS in Austin TX last year and decided to do a complete restoration. I knew the car needed lots of work but NEVER imagine to be as much as what I have discovered. Thus far, I have removed a 5 gallon bucket full of bondo and more to remove. The entire car was sculture out out of Bondo!!!!!!This car has been in Texas for more that 25 years mostly in the Houston area where it was "restored" by a local shop. I remember seeing the car in several events back in the 80's and in fact I have some old photos of the car when it was "restored" Now I am going to restore all over and hopefully with significantly less bondo this time around. The good thing about it is that I can get my money's worth out of my English wheel. Once we strip the entire car we will have a better sense what we are in for to be completed. Thus far I am thinking of making a wooden buck in order to make all four fenders. Should I re-body the car in aluminum! Very interesting proposition!

I will not be posting too many photos here but anyone interested in following up with this restoration can see more at AISLLC.SMUGMUG.COM Photo site still work in progress and the final version will not be out until later this year. Yet, many of the cars we are working will be here for your viewing pleasure.

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All Bondo and Fibre glass off. Ran out of five gallon buckets.


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good lord; any guess as to total weight?

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Any newspaper and chicken wire yet?

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Any newspaper and chicken wire yet?
Nope. Just plain all bondo, fibre glass, and thin aluminum with undercoating to mascarade the "quality" restoration. All is gone now and I will be bysy with my English wheel.

Next report when the metal fabrication and body work is done. just keep watching aisllc.smugmug.com

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My 61 SS didn't have much rust, except the passenger rocker. When we started working on it after media blasting, a roll of newspaper wrapped in window screen and covered with bondo/fiberglass, sort of fell away. The thing was heavy enough I'm surprised I didn't break a toe!

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Centuries from now automobile archeologists will use restored cars to date man's progress in civilization by reading these cached newspapers. And catch up to date on old news . . .

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Ancient history

I have a '35 Renault Primaquatre Cabriolet, it was built in December '35 and shipped out to South Africa as a RHD "Export Model" in 'Gris 'd Appret" - primer

It was painted red over burgundy in March 1936, because that was the date of the folded up newspaper I found wedged into the rumble seat lid under the trim

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This is why the business of restorations must be difficult. Owner brings in what looked like an okayish car and now it is requiring 60% of the metal to be replaced and will be costing lots of $'s ... I hope in this case the owner understands .
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This is why the business of restorations must be difficult. Owner brings in what looked like an okayish car and now it is requiring 60% of the metal to be replaced and will be costing lots of $'s ... I hope in this case the owner understands .
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I do understand. I am the owner and restorer. More photos to come.

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More rusty parts.

Just completed cutting and forming all the metal for the doors and passenger side of the car. We are now replacing the entire passenger side floor pan and cricket box.
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Driver side, Almost done

Well, here are the most recent photos for the passenger side where we are starting to finish after removing everything including the passenger side floors that are now new.

The last photo is my new rotisserie that I just made for the SS. Can someone tell me what is wrong? I got a little overzealous and almost crew it up.

Let see who will find out?
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Lionel, just out of curiosity as a benchmark, how much do you estimate the bodywork and painting will cost, since you are the customer you are not compromising a client. Not the whole car's restoration with interior, trim, etc. The nearest $5k is fine. Thanks, Bruce

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Lionel, just out of curiosity as a benchmark, how much do you estimate the bodywork and painting will cost, since you are the customer you are not compromising a client. Not the whole car's restoration with interior, trim, etc. The nearest $5k is fine. Thanks, Bruce
Bruce,

Can't tell you because I have no benchmark to go by given that is the first SS we have worked where there are no straight lines almost anywhere. I am estimating around 700 hrs for sheet metal fabrication, metal replacement and final hand planishing. If you take a look at the Sprint we just finished we spent 500 hrs and there is at least an additional 200 hrs for the SS. You can see the Sprint final video at AISLLC's Photos | SmugMug. A great deal of time is spend on hand planishing in order to remove all panel distortion. We do not cover panel distortion with bondo. If you see the bare metal sprint - you will notice that you can not easily detect any welding or metal replacement on the outer skin. That is because the welding is fused into the panels with oxy-acetylene welding that is them hand planished in order to achieve a superior quality finish. Have you figure out what's wrong with my rotisserie?

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Lionel,

I just can't figure it out! It looks like an optical illusion to me.....
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