'63 Giulia Spider Normale Restoration (Euro) - Page 59

**pathung** · #**871** (**permalink**) 09-13-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pcleemans

Hello all I'm Philip from Holland and my mother has a Giulia Spider 101 that was restored some time ago but still needs some details to make it correct.
I'm also interested to see pictures of door rubbers and hear from people how they managed to secure the rubber floor mats to the floor with clips, and where to buy these.

@ Patrick : First of all nice car ! I have a photo of how the spare wheel retainer clamp looks like, but no idea how to post it here ...

**pathung** · #**872** (**permalink**) 09-13-2009, 01:15 PM

Photos of tire clamp:

**pathung** · #**873** (**permalink**) 09-13-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by A V

Patrick

I have now got my spare-wheel clamp ready to be installed, will send you a photo tomorrow.

A V

**Gordon Raymond** · #**874** (**permalink**) 09-13-2009, 06:22 PM

Hi AV,
The original "felt" side window material is actually a thin black woven material that I have also seen on other period Ferrari's. It is a black flannel. One side like a regular cotton cloth, the other has a soft raised nap. Ferrari uses this as interior liners for aluminum trunk lids, and in other places on 50's and 60's cars. This is not easily obtained in varying thickness, and it must be a close fit with the fixed vent windows. Moreover, as the original material was cotton, it deteriorated as it aged. Some modern synthetic black flannel would be better, and that is what I used found at an upholstery shop. As it was not thick enough, I used a synthetic rubber cement to glue to pieces of fabric together, and then, after trimming to wrap around the glass properly, with a finished outside edge showing both inside and outside the car, affixed it to the glass as I mentioned earlier, then glued the assembly into the chromed frame. All this took me some time, and trial and error to get "just right" so my repaired drivers side glass matched the OEM passenger side.
As an AFTERTHOUGHT, hindsight always being 20-20, I realized if I had done BOTH sides, using an animal hair black felt, or synthetic material felt, the whole job would have been much easier, as the correct thickness was not hard to find, and with the multi directional fiber of felt, I would NOT have had to fuss with the finished edges.
This would look 100% correct, last for a very long time, and be much easier than the doubled over flannel.

30931 · #**875** (**permalink**) 09-13-2009, 11:08 PM

My spare clamp has a pronounced bend in it. The picture shows it with a 165SR-15 tire which is too wide for the clamp to fit as intended. The steel strap that wraps over the spare on my car was cut and rewelded to accommodate larger than a 155 tire. (This is on a '58 750)

Doug
Long Beach CA

**Gordon Raymond** · #**876** (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 08:27 AM

You are likely correct Doug, as my car came with no spare, no retainer and no hoop as some variation on a competition version. The car was fitted as new, with 165 x 15 Pirelli's as it arrived in 1966. To fit the car with a spare, the pictured retainer was purchased from Alfa in 1970, and the spare "retained", as was not unusual in the mid '60's, with a leather strap. Picture below. This car was also factory equipped with the competition lap belts pictured. In my spares collection, I have a Giulietta retainer that is not either as flat as the one pictured from my Ausca spider, nor as curved as the one you have pictured. That one was removed from my 1960 Giulietta spider (101) when it became a dedicated race car. I can post pictures if anyone is interested. After looking at these spare retainers for over 49 years, I've seen some variations, in the curve and number of rubber / plastic friction strips riveted to them, from none, to three, two being most common.
As the shape of the Michelin differed slightly from the Pirelli as OEM, these brackets fit the different tires provided somewhat differently, particularly in the Giulia production. All this is just my opinion gathered from my observations over the last half century. As anyone that has worked with these cars over time knows Alfa's outside suppliers often slightly changed many components at any time. "Correct" is what fits, or was originally supplied.

pcleemans · #**877** (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 09:27 AM

Patrick/Gordon, thx for the photos, now I know for sure there are some missing rubbers on our car ;-)

Any ideas where to buy the chrome buttons for the rubber mats ?

Gordon, do you mean you have that retainer for sale ? I would be interested.

Phlip

**pathung** · #**878** (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 09:32 AM

You could probably find the rubber mat snaps at any upholstery shop.

Here's a wheel retainer bracket for sale on eBay (thanks George for the tip):

Alfa Romeo 1956-65 Spider Spare Tire Bracket, Rare!:eBay Motors (item 150371675165 end time Sep-15-09 17:32:08 PDT)

pcleemans · #**879** (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 11:20 AM

Thanks again for the tips, I'll be bidding on the clamp.

**Gordon Raymond** · #**880** (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 02:05 PM

It is ALWAYS good to have a spare clamp and bolt. For the same reason as the MIA tool kits and jacks, these have vanished over time as well. I hang on to my Giulietta unit and bolt even though, as is, they won't fit my car!

**AlfaDuc** · #**881** (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pathung

You could probably find the rubber mat snaps at any upholstery shop.

**Gordon Raymond** · #**882** (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 06:56 PM

The only place you can get yourself into any trouble is in mixing US standard and Italian fasteners if replacing just ONE! The metric fasteners and US appear the same, but.....

**pathung** · #**883** (**permalink**) 09-14-2009, 09:15 PM

I have NO fasteners right now, so I'll do the patriotic thing and buy American... for my little fo'ern car.

**A V** · #**884** (**permalink**) 09-15-2009, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Raymond

Hi AV,
The original "felt" side window material is actually a thin black woven material that I have also seen on other period Ferrari's. It is a black flannel. One side like a regular cotton cloth, the other has a soft raised nap. Ferrari uses this as interior liners for aluminum trunk lids, and in other places on 50's and 60's cars. This is not easily obtained in varying thickness, and it must be a close fit with the fixed vent windows. Moreover, as the original material was cotton, it deteriorated as it aged. Some modern synthetic black flannel would be better, and that is what I used found at an upholstery shop. As it was not thick enough, I used a synthetic rubber cement to glue to pieces of fabric together, and then, after trimming to wrap around the glass properly, with a finished outside edge showing both inside and outside the car, affixed it to the glass as I mentioned earlier, then glued the assembly into the chromed frame. All this took me some time, and trial and error to get "just right" so my repaired drivers side glass matched the OEM passenger side.
As an AFTERTHOUGHT, hindsight always being 20-20, I realized if I had done BOTH sides, using an animal hair black felt, or synthetic material felt, the whole job would have been much easier, as the correct thickness was not hard to find, and with the multi directional fiber of felt, I would NOT have had to fuss with the finished edges.
This would look 100% correct, last for a very long time, and be much easier than the doubled over flannel.

pcleemans · #**885** (**permalink**) 09-20-2009, 05:01 AM

Patrick, I got the clamp from eBay, thanks again for the tip.
Always nicer to have an original piece than a repro !

I also found 2 spare Borrani wheels for the Giulia Spider 101, I only need one so if anyone is interested just let me know.

By the way does anyone have experience with Alfastop in the UK ?
I've ordered some parts and sent a seperate message but no reply ... :-/