Anyone know where to find???

[velocealfa]

Hello everyone, well the veloce is now running! the webers work very well. We used the correct weber yellow fuel hose but it began to leak, does anyone know where i can find a new weber yellow fuel line?

Thanks

Phillip

[Gordon Raymond]

Yes Phillip, this is reasonably simple, but a problem worthy of discussion. This fabric fuel line was used on many older Alfa's and Ferrari's. Things were pretty good, until Gasoline became FUEL with lots of additives. The alcohol in modern fuels dissolves the lacquer that made the old fabric lines leak proof! The aircraft industry uses like lines for both oil and fuel, and aircraft fuel is not as odd as motor fuel these days, but the aircraft line has a solvent proof liner! When ALL the high dollar, vintage Ferrari fuel lines began to leak and ooze brown goo, the owners pitched a mighty fit! Who needs a FIRE under the hood of a xx million dollar collectable?
Solution? Geoff Ohland to the rescue! He discovered he could source the (expensive) FAA approved 8 mm "AV gas only" fuel line, and has made it available. This LOOKS like the old fabric line, but the OD is slightly larger in diameter, (BUY his 8 mm Ferrules for this line) and is DOES NOT LEAK with modern fuels! NO MORE EXPENSIVE FIRES!
That is the good news. The bad news is that this is expensive stuff. It costs $7.85 PER INCH!! The special ferrules are about $10 each, so a safe, proper Alfa fabric line, parts only, is about $75. If you want your fittings replated, this is the time. I have been providing these assemblies for the Alfa community for some time, OR you can do it yourself! Contact Partsource, 32 Herden Ave, Camden, Maine 04843, Phone 207-236-9791. Tell Geoff I sent you.

[velocealfa]

Thank you Gordon, i will give them a call as soon as i get the funds to do so. Check out the race cars blog, my father drove the car today. He said he couldnt try to get the grin off his face. And that little windscreen that i got from Keith Goring works extremely well! Dad said it drives nice, shifts nice and sounds amazing. I wish i were there to drive it!

Thanks again,

Phillip

[dbest]

Gordon, can you confirm the fuel line you mention is the correct type that"augers" onto the banjo fittings? Are special tools required to crimp the ferrules? Lastly is rebuilding these assemblies a service you offer, if so what is your price?

pm if you wish

Regards,
Don

[Gordon Raymond]

Yes Don, it does auger into the banjo fittings. The way it works is the fitting is lightly smeared with a fuel proof lubricant / sealant, like Permetex Ultra Grey. The ferrule is installed over the neatly cut line end, and the fitting screwed in with some force required. The end of the line will expand slightly into the end of the ferrule, holding everything in place. With Alfa fuel systems at less than 4 lbs. pressure, that does it.
Here are more specifics. Fittings can be DCO3 style or the later 101 style, BOTH SCREW IN. I have NO source of fittings, and must re use customers old fittings. I DO have good platers available to plate the older fittings either in cadmium or nickel, at your choice. I send it out to the plater, and the plater sends it back to me. I must glass dust blast the fittings before plating. This cost is past on with nothing added. Trimming line and assembly is about the only labor involved other than clean up. Plating costs and the cost of the line and ferrule from Geoff are past on with nothing added. My assembly, fitting cleaning and experience are $50. If interested, contact me and I will give you my address for shipment of tired fuel lines!

[330.gtc]

My 1965 Veloce Spider has plastic transparent green hoses that I think are original to my car (I am the second owner of a 25,000 mile car) and it can be obtained from Ted Rutland (he also has the yellow line pictured). Geoff Ohland may also have the green plastic hose. The hose starts out light blue and turns green after the gas flows through it for a half year or so-ask Serio Sartor at Ted Rutlands about it.

[Gordon Raymond]

Actually, the green and yellow hose are a nice messy DIY project. You buy the line clear, then using RIT brand dye for clothing, (follow directions) you can make the line ANY color you want, IN QUANTITY and sell it for enough to replace all your stuff you made green, blue yellow or red while you did it! Lots of fun! I've been doing this for years.

[330.gtc]

The hose I buy at Rutlands is a transparent light blue; presumably it is an Italian product....Geoff Ohland may also carry it.

[velocealfa]

I purchased a green fuel line from Dean over at trail auto in detroit. Green is correct for 750's i believe.

Phillip

[user459]

The fittings I have for this fuel line don't seem to have the same orientation as the ones in Gordon's picture. The end of the line banjo on the right carb seems OK, but the pass through fitting on the left carb has the inlet going off in a different direction; pointing up towards me intead of going down alongside the plenum. Is this critical? Is this the right fitting? I have a second set of fittings that is identical to this one.

[Gordon Raymond]

Yup, critical Terry. You have the famous (infamous) AUSTRALIAN fitting where things are upside down and backwards. I just spent quite some time trying to locate the correct Veloce fitting (rare) for John Carboy's Weber restoration project. I'm sure he will happily sell you his freshly gold-cad plated WRONG fitting, reasonably cheaply! I also have a BEAUTIFUL WRONG fitting of my own, with nice, plain cadmium plate. Looks great, completely useless. The correct fittings are scarce. Be prepared to pay $30.00 or so for one that will need to be plated. The last correct ones I sourced, came from Keith Goring, Alfa's Unlimited, and Dean Russell at Trail Auto. Note that these are for the PLASTIC fuel line and NOT the Fabric yellow you pictured. The FABRIC line is intended to work with fittings that have a slow flat thread where the line attaches. They "screw-into" the fabric line. There are also two styles of these fittings. Early, is 750, and uses a conical "banjo" section. Later uses the rounded "banjo", and is the one I pictured. This was used on early 101's before they went to the plastic fuel line. Your car, as new, likely had the green plastic line I discussed earlier. Need pictures? Below is the green line with correct fittings.
All these up to the late 105's used BRASS banjo bolts. The 750 bolts for the conical "banjo" section are a little different than the others. All used a 14 mm hex, and the same thread. The "lip" just inside the bolt flange, sometimes differs in OD. It is SUPPOSED to be the same OD as the ID of the "banjo" section. Some are smaller and I have had to brass bush them up to the correct size for the "banjo" in question. Is this all clear as mud? After you restore Weber stuff 2/3's of your lifetime, it seems simple!

[user459]

So an Australian banjo is as worthless as a Hawaiian Ukelele? I've put a couple of feelers out there, but no response yet. Does anyone have the correct fitting for sale?

[Gordon Raymond]

You WILL have fun finding one. I do not know why this part is easily NLA!

[ECARRILLO]

Great post, just wanna be part of it, I may need some of thse hoses in the future!

[eight-o-one]

The GREAT (and funny) thing about Dean @ Trail Auto is his shop has everything everywhere AND he knows where everything is!!!!! And I can't find a phone # ANYWHERE
on JUST my messy desk!!!!!..............Ed K.