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58 750E Sprint Veloce resto candidate

I have the possibility to acquire what I think is a 58 (750E, 1493 06600, motor 1315 31079) for around $1k. That is the good news. The bad news is that it has major rust. Basically the complete pan from rear bulkhead to firewall will have to be replaced, plus various small parts of doors, fenders, etc. The car is relatively complete, with 40DC03's etc.

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can I buy sheet metal for pan, tunnel, etc? How expensive? I'm very comfortable w/ welder etc, just don't want to have to hand form all pcs.

are most parts available for engine/trans/ etc still?

I read on one post here a line about "pistons and liners". Do these engines have replaceable liners in the blocks?

is the crank on these engines forged?

I'm a current early 911 owner, alway loved the early Alfas, theyv'e got tremendous charactar, and imho are great looking little cars.

Any info appreciated.
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:32 PM
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I'm pretty sure this would fall into the Confortevole model. Mine is #06482. The model is very rare, with about 149 of these (roughly) made out of the Veloce line.
Parts availability is slim outside of few suppliers (OK parts, Alfa Stop, etc..), but everything is expensive and will probably take some fitting. Small parts are where the real money is tied up, and these cars were hand made, so every little part is unique to the individual car.
The Webers alone are worth an estimated $3000, so if you were to just buy the car and sell those then you would make a huge profit.
I am sure some people will give you more reasons, excuses, and pitfalls, but do what you want with it because it will be your car if you buy it!
My vote is fix it and make it drivable. The reason I am fixing mine is to get another one on the road! See my recent posting "Confortevole Restoration."
PM for pictures if needed. Mine was barn-stored for over 30 years!
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I have the possibility to acquire what I think is a 58 (750E, 1493 06600, motor 1315 31079) for around $1k. That is the good news. The bad news is that it has major rust. Basically the complete pan from rear bulkhead to firewall will have to be replaced, plus various small parts of doors, fenders, etc. The car is relatively complete, with 40DC03's etc.

Questions:

can I buy sheet metal for pan, tunnel, etc? How expensive? I'm very comfortable w/ welder etc, just don't want to have to hand form all pcs.

are most parts available for engine/trans/ etc still?

I read on one post here a line about "pistons and liners". Do these engines have replaceable liners in the blocks?

is the crank on these engines forged?

I'm a current early 911 owner, alway loved the early Alfas, theyv'e got tremendous charactar, and imho are great looking little cars.

Any info appreciated.

Without seeing any photos and no additional details sounds like a $30,000 restoration project.
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Why would anyone want to let a little thing called money keep them from pursuing his or her dream car?
ccsc, there is a lot of money involved, but only if you have it to spend! BUY IT!
Yes, the pistons and liners are replaceable. You will have difficulty finding parts for the 1300 engine in a 750. Mine has a 1600 that replaced the original 1300 back in 1971.
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Old 09-18-2009, 06:45 PM
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Go for it! I enjoy mine even in it's unrestored and disassembled condition.
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Let's see pictures!
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Dear ccsc,
I think this is seriously underpriced, if you don't want it I'm sure you can resell it and profiteer...bag it now and then study it, or pass it along!
Laurence 1493E*06559
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I have the possibility to acquire what I think is a 58 (750E, 1493 06600, motor 1315 31079) for around $1k.

Any info appreciated.
According to the parts catalog, many trim changes were made starting with serial number 06601. Door were changed, weatherstripping, latches, hood, bumper ends, etc. The car you are looking at would be the last car made before the changes were implemented. Kind of a milestone car.

Wolf Steel makes some of the panels you asked about. No experience with them personally. Giulietta Sprint 750-101

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I'm pretty sure Lionel's Confortevole is THE last one made, #06611. This car for sale and Lionel's must have been a project of Luigi Italiano for a few weeks back in 1958!
I posted on the "Car Restoration" page about a trunk floor for a Sprint and got good information about Wolf Steel: it took more money to make the part fit than the part cost!
Check out what sheet metal you can get commercially before you buy, ccsc. It will all be handmade if not available, and probably if it is, will take some hand-fitting.
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I'm pretty sure Lionel's Confortevole is THE last one made, #06611. This car for sale and Lionel's must have been a project of Luigi Italiano for a few weeks back in 1958!
I posted on the "Car Restoration" page about a trunk floor for a Sprint and got good information about Wolf Steel: it took more money to make the part fit than the part cost!
Check out what sheet metal you can get commercially before you buy, ccsc. It will all be handmade if not available, and probably if it is, will take some hand-fitting.
The Sprint that Alan uses as a pattern to make his panels are based on a second series Sprint and not a first series Sprint. Considering that the are some significant differences to these vehicles working with his panels would not make an ideal option at all. You are going to be better of if you try to remove your trunk as complete as possible assuming that it will not crumble in the process, take it to a local vocational school and find an enthusiastic professor willing to use it for one of his class project (assuming it will not loose it or it take them forever).

Removing the trunk: unlike the second series car, your car's trunk is welded along the inside of the trunk starting some where behind the fender well along the inside of the trunk opening to fender well. The remaining piece is spot welded, try cutting below the spot weld or about before it curves into the rear back panel separating the back of the interior wall of the car. You want to make sure that you do not cut the gas tank support brackets, you must try to salvage the trunk gas filler tower, trunk supports and raised overflow tube.

Whether you do it yourself or have someone do it for you, you must have both the trunk in one piece and the surgical incision done correctly. If you want to drive the car while you have the part being made go to your local Wallmart Sport department and purchase a plastic gas tank - those used for boats and strapped on the trunk floor supported with 2x4's

Once the work is completed post photos for the next step of the operation.

Good luck,
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Hello ccsc

You have found a Sprint Veloce Confortevole, one of 199 cars which were made as a limited run-out model after the phasing out of the Lightweight Veloce's, your car is basically a heavyweight Series I Sprint Veloce with a Normale interior and wind up windows.

The Sprint Veloce Confortevole's were made in two production runs, the first 50 had aluminum frames around the doors which received wind up windows and the next 149 which simply had frameless windoes like the Normale's.

Interesting that this car 06600 is given by Alfa as the change over point from pure 750 to the Interim cars with the 101 style grilles and larger tail lights. We know that the actual changeover point was in fact 06611 - owned by Lionel Velez.

I keep the register of SV Confortevole's and would appreciate you contacting me in order that I can get some more details for the register - the more details, the more we all can learn.

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Greig

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