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Old 09-11-2009, 11:30 AM
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First post on the Giulietta and Giulia Forum,

I've been toying with the idea of purchasing a SS, I think they are wonderfull to look at and hear they handle quite well, but no little more about them.

Actually I'm thinking of selling my 2600 spider to get the SS, since I think I'll be able to use it more (since it has a proper roof!)

My questions to the experts:

What should I be looking for a Giulia, a Giulietta?
What should I be carefull of?
Other advice?
How much should I expect to pay for it?

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I used to have a 65 2600 and I love it. I currently have a 63 1600 SS. A possible trade? contact me at lionel.velez@gmail.com for further discussion.

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First post on the Giulietta and Giulia Forum,

I've been toying with the idea of purchasing a SS, I think they are wonderfull to look at and hear they handle quite well, but no little more about them.

Actually I'm thinking of selling my 2600 spider to get the SS, since I think I'll be able to use it more (since it has a proper roof!)

My questions to the experts:

What should I be looking for a Giulia, a Giulietta?
What should I be carefull of?
Other advice?
How much should I expect to pay for it?

Thanks
Henry,

if you are considering SS most importantly of all, make sure you focus your search for a complete and running car with all original parts there. All trim pieces were marked for that specific car; SS were hand build. No broken or no missing glass. It is very expensive to replace, although, you can find new front windshield, the door glass are a nightmare to find. I am sure that any SS owner with missing glass door can confirm this. Virtually, all mechanical components are shared with other 101 spider veloce cars, except for the air plenum and air filter canister which is round on the SS as supposed to the oblong shape as found on Spider veloce models. You want a car with very little or no body work. I would not let no one touch such car unless is a "real panel beater" in essence, any restoration will be VERY expensive. There are literally no straight lines on these cars. Thus, all new metal must be formed using an English wheel and hand hammering.

Good luck in your search,

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First post on the Giulietta and Giulia Forum,

I've been toying with the idea of purchasing a SS, I think they are wonderfull to look at and hear they handle quite well, but no little more about them.

Actually I'm thinking of selling my 2600 spider to get the SS, since I think I'll be able to use it more (since it has a proper roof!)

My questions to the experts:

What should I be looking for a Giulia, a Giulietta?
What should I be carefull of?
Other advice?
How much should I expect to pay for it?

Thanks
You will likely find this thread of interest: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/limi...ileage-ss.html. Most information on AlfaBB about SSs is in the Limited Production forum.

Like any Giulietta/Giulia they do handle well, but because of the body overhangs they have a slightly higher polar moment of inertia. The SS was originally designed for racing, but Scaglione emphasized streamlining over lightness and they consequently proved less competitive than the Zagato-bodied cars. On the other hand, the SS is the best GT within the family, with very low wind noise, the veloce engine and a 5-speed.

While I fully agree with Lionel's observations, complete, rust-free and authentic cars are quite rare. The market for SSs is very well surveyed by Matt Hamilton on giuliettas.com.
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Agree w/ Lionel totally. You must buy a complete car w/ as little rust as possible. I bought mine - a time-capsule Giulia that was in dry storage for 25+ years - that was complete except for the SS air plenum. I'm sure I will pay dearly for it.

Definitely see giuliettas.com to get educated and for many market examples.
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Bryan,

That is a very nice looking SS! The two tone correct or not looks awesome. Personally, I have a bias toward the 1600 SS as supposed the 1300. Of course, the low nose is King amongst my preferences.

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The photos show external differences between a low nose (red), Giulietta (blue) and Giulia (white).

The low nose cars are interesting, with front fenders like cartoon rockets and an inset trunk lid. However, build quality is considered to be lower than the production versions and they are of course more rare and costly.

The most noticeable difference between the Giulietta (1300) and Giulia (1600) is the interior. IMO the styling of the interior shared by the Giulietta / low nose is more in harmony with the exterior of the car. It appears that someone other than Scaglione designed the Giulia interior revision.

The 1600 is rated at 126 hp vs. 114 hp for the 1300, but both engines have their advocates.

Bryan, would welcome more photos of your interior and engine compartment. Thanks.
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here are some interior pics. Appears to be barely used, although the foam in the seats has turned to dust/sand - it has the sensation of a beanbag chair when you sit in it. The plastic/plaid floor covering is hiding new carpet (from the 70s); not worn and edge bindings not worn or frayed. The dash shows the original color; white. The two-tone is not correct, but I like it, so it will stay.

the newest registration sticker on the CA black plates are from 1971.

the PO had started working on the motor. the carbs are off; the headers look like they were never used; I have boxes of never-installed valves, chains, sprockets. The PO must have like chrome because the air cleaner canister, accel linkage and a few other things are currently chrome - I'll take care of that.

Sam Smith, Les Smith and Harlan Hadley have all inspected and, happily, the only thing I am missing, other than the correct plenum (I apparently have a 105 plenum which would never fit the SS) is the gooseneck for the sump; part no. 1315.58.013

Mods might want to move this to the Limited Production - SS forum
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Bryan, thanks very much for the additional photos, I'm always interested to see more of these cars.

The two-tone grey looks terrific, and your interior seems to be in excellent shape. I'm sure that an upholstery shop could easily replace the seat padding with superior modern materials. And if your only significant unfinished business is a routine engine rebuild, I can't imagine a better project car.

For even obscure parts, Christian Ondrak at OKP in Munich has invariably come through for me, at fair prices and with unbelievably fast delivery.

Thanks again and have fun with completing your car. Maybe see you with it at the 2010 convention in DC ? A half dozen people at Saratoga encouraged me to bring mine, although I haven't joined any of the clubs.

Don

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a couple of shots of my giulietta ss. i also prefer the interior styling of the earlier car, although i am sure i am also biased. The car handles very well with a slight roll in the bends before it settles in. Nice free revving engine, the cockpit is a bit tight if you are tall.
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beautiful! I have to confess that the only SS's I have driven are Giuliettas.

Finally, there is a nice article in the October 2009 Octane magazine featuring a guy who owns and drives the hell out of four Giuliettas; a Berlina, two Spiders (one set up for racing) and a red Sprint Speciale, his daily driver.
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Old 09-13-2009, 05:27 PM
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Guys, thank you for all the responses and great looking photos. Now I just need to find the right car. When I find a good candidate I will surely post it here for your review.

Bryan, your car looks fantastic, congratulations!
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