Giulia Paint Time - Anyone have a Dark Blue Spider?

[alfamox]

As Andrew says, there is really no idea in discussing old names and codes since they are all gone with the wind, and modern chemistry is quite different from old days.

Best way is to find old cars with original painting and then drive them into a paintshop and compare with catalogues and samples from modern cars with same or nearly identical color. Cameras, Screens, video cards in your PC etc. all change the colors on pics so be aware.

I have a picture of a blue sprint in and old alfabook by David Owen which is really beautiful - I guess it is bluette but to the dark side - I can scan it if you like but I guess it wont solve anything.

This spider is just on sale at Luzzago in Italy, it may be Tornado blue, you can check it on their website luzzago - IN VENDITA

Lars

[Andrew Schank]

I run into this a few times a year, where we want a fairly obscure period color for a car (and the code is no longer valid-if we even have one) and it wasn't the original color on the car to be painted. So there are no inside panels to see the original color and try to match it. I then usually look at as many photos as i can, and try to find a more modern color from one of my charts that is 90% or better match visually for the color in the photos. Then I sometimes tint it to get it where I want it. it is a time consuming affair! Just paint it red-it sure makes things easier. (just kidding)

[alfamox]

Yes Andrew just go to a club meating or one of the large conventions and it is obvious that Alfa red comes in hundreds of variations. I guess red is the color that tends to fade away the most due to sun and polution. Maybe black is the solution - only few variations to go for there.

Lars

[GTD]

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... there is really no idea in discussing old names and codes ...

[GTV-GR]

The Jackal had it(1) white and then painted this awful blue(2) with an electric portable airbrush and then crashed it into a tree(3).
Do the first one only

p.s. Why did you have to kill that sweet lady man?

[alfamox]

Jackals kill because they have to - but they should not crash Giuliettas.

Here you can see the scene:

YouTube - Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider - The Day of the Jackal

I think the car was more beautiful in white but nice quick paintjob and a fine ride. Maybe they used two giuliettas for the scenes since it appears to be yellow before it was painted.

And to GTD I agree, my comments about old color names and numbers were to be misunderstood. Of couse I love to study old names and color codes and find them interesting but they often seem to cause discussions. Do you know how many different opinions there are on the color "petrol blue" when you ask people. I have tried that too often in my professional life.

Lars

[alfamox]

After having studied the clip it seems the car is the same and white if you look at the dashboard. The jackal didn't bother painting that blue. I guess the screenshut with the more yellow car being painted is just a bad color copy.

Lars

[Michael from MV]

You sure never know where a thread will lead do you. At the risk of repeating myself, THANKS to all of you for your input. I will say that this discussion reminded me of a 308 GT4 that i owned that was 'dino blue'. however, as the story goes, when it was repainted, the shop got the correct formula and used it but with the modern paints it produced a color that was noticiably different. So having said all of that we are going to use the correct Alfa color chips and pictures and find a modern paint to match it so that it most importantly represents the car acurately in its appearance.

It looks like Blue Medio is our direction! Anyone have a picture of a car in that color?

[alfamox]

Yes Michael I am sorry to interfere your thread with old movie stuff, but GTV-GR just pressed the button to a wonderful and beloved movie and after all Giuliettas fit both assassins and gentlemen.

Now to your next challenge picture of a blue medio Giulia/Giulietta spider - let me see if I have more blue cars in my files.

Lars

[Michael from MV]

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Originally Posted by alfamox Yes Michael I am sorry to interfere your thread with old movie stuff, but GTV-GR just pressed the button to a wonderful and beloved movie and after all Giuliettas fit both assassins and gentlemen. Now to your next challenge picture of a blue medio Giulia/Giulietta spider - let me see if I have more blue cars in my files. Lars

[tubut]

Coming back to the Blu Alfa blues: I haven't come across much information on dark Alfa blues of the late '50s and early '60s. Tech. Bulletin 0.00.024 dated 10-Jul-1961 gives an overview of the standard paints available for each model of ehat I suppose were then current production cars (relevant pages copied below and also posted elsewhere). I call these "standard" colors because undoubtedly other colors were available as well.

The only dark blue in this list is for a Giulietta Sprint Zagato (AR 328, KF 18018) but I never found any reliable information about this 'old' color. Several newer colors exist the same AR code: Blu Zagato (1970-71), "Azzurro Olympo Met" (1986-89) and "Blu Mare Met" (1987-93). I know the Blu Zagato used on the Junior Z is a medium blue, not a dark one.

The other period blues (sorry, I can't resist using this expression) like Blu Tornado, Bluette and Blu Cobalto are also considered to be 'medium'.

One of the darker blues you may want to look into is Blu Posilipo shown in the 1972 color chart. This color obviously won't look right on screen.

Good luck on you quest -- it's not an easy one but Andrew seems to be experienced, knowledgeable and of great help.

[Andrew Schank]

I actually just found some left over Medio Blue paint in my archives that I shot a few years back when the color was still available. I should be able to match the paint in the can with a current color if Michael decides he likes it.

[alfamox]

There are normally two (or three) sides of painting old classics. One is originality in color, chemistry and appearance - glow, depth, gloss etc. The other is behaviour and taste. The third is not worth taking into consideration is value by selling - who wants to sell a beloved classic?

You really have to find a blue color you want to live with for years and love every time you see it. I would hate to have a wonderful car in a color I dislike.

In my opinion some blue colors kill the shapes of many car designs but in some cases the blues are just playing. Here is a blue Zagato sz to kill for and a blue junior Z maybe in french blue. I like the dark blue most if it cant be bluette, but I really think when it comes to color chose yourself and do not listen to much to others since it is such a personal thing.

Lars

[don000]

Another nice alternative, although might not be original on a spider.

[jmn]

I have a 58 Spider Veloce that got painted dark blue recently, if I ever get it back, I'll post a picture. However, in case you're still thinking about the gray, here's one of my other cars (also a veloce)- I've owned it for 31 years.