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post #16 of 64 (permalink) Old 02-15-2017, 01:15 PM
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If the new Alfas become known for attracting Hipsters, it'll kill it for us more serious types.
Kind of sounds like something Yogi Bera might have said, "Nobody's buying the Giulia; there's too many people buying them."

No, I get what you're saying, but I think the threat of a hipster stampede to Alfa dealers is the least of their worries.
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As much as I hate to say it, it would most likely ensure their return. Jeez, I hate to say that. Would possibly make me, being a more serious oldtimer type, lol, from buying one, not ever wanting to be associated with so-called hipsters.

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If it's a good car, I want them to succeed, and I'll want one, no matter who else buys them, or doesn't.
Things are best judged on their own merits (or lack thereof).

People who avoid what is popular, based on that as a criterion, are no more virtuous, and no more independent of thought, than those who flock to what is popular. Both are basing their decisions on popularity, and allowing their actions to be chosen by others.

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Didn't say I didn't want them to succeed, just that as I found with most of the BMW drivers I personally know, I just haven't wanted to be associated with some of their behavior/image. Has nothing to do with the car itself. So, yes, it should be judged on it's designed merits, but that is very often not the case.

It depends on why the product is indeed popular. If it is because it is a superior product, fine; but if it is popular because of a certain image, then don't criticize if that image is not one's style and therefore unwanted by association/appearance.

Just old fashioned I guess, not into bling to improve status. Must be why I drive old cars very few people either wanted or recognized, from a car company nobody knows. They are just satisfying to me to drive.

As for the new Giulia, the onus is on it to prove itself to me enough. Would probably be ok, as I don't hardly know any hipsters, lol. The people I know would know exactly what the car is and why I would have one.

(not the prettiest Alfa I've seen as I still think the front end is almost ugly).

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I've not studied the new Alfa "active dampener" system.
I'm not sure what parts they are using either. Given the popularity of such items these days I'd bet you could probably buy them from the EO supplier instead of Alfa, and they might even be used in another application.


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Given Alfa's history (and future?) one must wonder what the repair/replacement cost will be for a very sophisticated system on a low-production car? Or, whether such parts will be available?
That is a concern I have for the Quadriplegio. I love it, but that almost Ferrari engine scares me. I don't have any such concerns about the 4cly one. This is an all new platform for Alfa, but you're going to start seeing bits and pieces of it poping up in many FIAT-Chrysler products.


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Bottom line? IMHO, I'm not sure the adjustable shocks are worth it, considering the potentially expensive problems they will likely have in the future. If I were to buy a new Giulia, I wouldn't opt for those shocks.
The performance pack is only $1200... That's worth it for the limited slip alone. When the active dampeners fail and if you didn't like them, just replace with aftermarket coil overs.


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I found with most of the BMW drivers I personally know, I just haven't wanted to be associated with some of their behavior/image.
There is something about that Teutonic perfection that makes you drive like an a-hole. Similarly to how you can feel the passion when driving an Alfa.
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BMW sells a few hundred thousand per year in the US while Alfa's best year they sold like 8,000. I am pretty sure that even with the sudden marketing blitz (seriously, I am now seeing the Dear Predictable Giulia ad over five times a day on TV), Alfa is not going to get even close to the numbers that the Germans get which also means a lower amount of hipster aholes.
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Talk about beating a dead horse here...
drive the **** car...if you like how it drives...if you like how it looks..if you like how it feels...and if you like how its priced...then BUY IT! If none of those apply OR your fear of Alfa's past ghosts haunt you too much...then don't buy it...
if your worried about who has one, or who thinks what etc....sorry chief your already lost...
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Oh, always intend to do just that of course. I, for one, have never cared what other people think about the weird esoteric brand car I've driven for ~50 years, knowing that no one has known what the hell it is anyway, lol.

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I am waiting for the new Guilia QV. I have seen no cars for sale in Los Angeles. I need to replace my old Milanos with something much faster and much newer.
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I have been told that ZF transmission is made by BMW and used by them in tandem with their V12 engine
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Talk about beating a dead horse here...
drive the **** car...if you like how it drives...if you like how it looks..if you like how it feels...and if you like how its priced...then BUY IT! If none of those apply OR your fear of Alfa's past ghosts haunt you too much...then don't buy it...
if your worried about who has one, or who thinks what etc....sorry chief your already lost...
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I have been told that ZF transmission is made by BMW and used by them in tandem with their V12 engine
The ZF transmission is made by ZF

That 8-speed has been used in everything from Chrysler to Rolls-Royce
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission
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Giulia test drive

Test drove a Giulia Ti. Really impressed by how fun it was and fully agree that the autobox is surprisingly ok. Convinced myself and my wife that I could live with the auto. Was about to order one - Giulia Ti AWD with sunroof, driver safety package, performance package, grey with brown interior. Surprised to learn that despite having owned an Alfa for longer than anyone working for Alfa USA has been around I am not eligible for the $1000 owner loyalty discount. If a guy who has babied a roundtail spider for a decade and who's first car was a 76 spider can't get any recognition from Alfa Romeo who can????

Also, unlike every other car in this segment, Alfa does not offer any service plan (free oil changes etc) as do Jag, BMW, and Audi. How badly do they want to fail!!! I am so depressed about this. Would have loved to have a second Alfa in the garage. I think I actually will test the Jaguar XF after all.
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