Portuguese Gtas'

[SprintGtVeloce]

Does anyone know the vin numbers of the Gta 2000 protos that went on 1969 Tour the Corse?

Best regards,
Pedro Marques

[Alleggerita]

I wish I knew ...

I previously posted a picture of the 1969 Pinto/Santonacci Tour de Corse car, as well as a supposed picture of another 1969 Tour de Corse engine compartment in the GTA 2000 thread. One white and one red ...

Here's them, as well as another picture of the Pinto/Santonacci car.

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Originally Posted by SprintGtVeloce Does anyone know the vin numbers of the Gta 2000 protos that went on 1969 Tour the Corse? Best regards, Pedro Marques

[dbest]

I now believe the ex Carlos Gaspar car is not the AAB-56-12 GTA in Angola. Working from the picture from the April 1970 issue of Quadrifoglio showing the picture of the #34 GTA Jr I searched my records and the internet for information and dates.

The Planca Negro Troufeu Race took place in Luanda on December 12 1969 which ties in nicely with our gestimate of when the Quadrifoglio pictures would have been taken, a few months before the April 1970 publication date. No doubt the Concorso di Eleganza would have been part of the same event. Pictures of the race event show the #34 car as well as another GTA #8 driven by A.Resende which I conclude is the ex Carlos Gaspar GTA. The #34 driven by Antonio Peixinho is most likely AAB-56-12 (the front plate is approximately legible). I cannot determine the race number of the other visible car from the photos; it is the red car near the front of the grid with the multi-coloured nose. Entry and race results list a third GTA entered #3 driven by Bandeira Vieira but so far I have not found any pictures clearly showing a third car, hopefully some will materialize soon.

Race Results from World Sports Racing Prototypes - Non Championship Races 1969

1. #11 Carlos Santos (P) Porsche 906
2. - Mario Cabral (P) BMW 2002
3. - António Peixinho (P) Alfa Romeo GTA
4. - Albio Pinto BMW 2002
5. - Altino Fraga BMW 2002
6. - Sá Nogueira BMW 2002
7. - Xico Barbosa BMW 2002
8. - Ant. Resende Alfa Romeo GTA
9. - Bandeira Vieira Alfa Romeo GTA
10. - Amadeu Inácio NSU 1200 TT

Regards,
Don

[dbest]

the source:
Clássicos do Ultramar - Página 41 - Portal dos Clássicos

________________________________________
TROFÉU PALANCA NEGRA / LUANDA / 1969

Replico-a de novo, passe o pleonasmo, para tentar identificar os pilotos que partiram assim por sorteio na 1ª largada (antes do acidente do Villar).

1ªlinha
#6 Cris - NSU TT
#5 Carlos Conde -Lotus 23B
#3 Bandeira Vieira - Alfa Romeo GTA (invisível nesta foto)
#2 Peter Junor - BMC Cooper S (invisível nesta foto)

2ªlinha
#9 F.Diniz - Ford Cortina Perana (uma raridade, c/motor Essex/Zephir V6 de 3.000 cc)
#8 A.Resende - Alfa Romeo GTA
#7 Manuel Inácio - Opel 1900 Gt (só se vê a traseira do carro)

3ª linha
#15 Nicha Cabral - BMW 2002 Schnitzer
#12 Peter Gough - Ford Escort TC Lotus
#11 Carlos Santos - Porsche Carrera 6
#10 Xico Santos - Lotus Elan (Team Palma)

4ª linha
#18 Altino Fraga - BMW 2002 Schnitzer
#17 R.Magalhães - BMC Cooper S
#16 Janita Andrade Villar - Porsche Carrera 6 (faleceu por consequência de acidente,ocorrido segundos depois deste instantâneo)


5ª linha
#22 Amadeu Inácio - NSU TTS (dono do kartodromo Kiro/Bombarral)
#21 Sá Nogueira - BMW 2002
#20 Henrique Cardão - Vauxhall Viva GT (o tal que o Turza vê azul - será reflexo do mar )
#19 António Lacerda - Porsche 904 GTS

6ªlinha
#17 Ivon Brandão - Lotus Europa
#26 Emídio Poiares - BMC Cooper S
#23 André Wicky - Porsche 910

7ª linha
#52 J.Botequilha - Ford Cortina Lotus
#31 Gil Morgado - NSU TT
#80 Xico Barbosa - BMW 2002
#83 Albio Pinto - BMW 2002 Schnitzer

8ª linha
#58 Waldemar Silva - Lotus 47
#35 Nicolau Mesquita - Lotus 47
#34 António Peixinho - Alfa Romeo GTA

9ª linha
#36 Lopes Gouveia - Ford Cortina Lotus

[dbest]

Seing this thread is supposed to be about GTAs in Portugal I am posting a few pictures of the Carlos Gaspar GTA when it was still in Portugal.

The first picture is Jarama 1967, the #10 car I have no source noted and it may be another car, note the gas filler bubble on the deck lid. Next is Vila Real 1967 and the final picture is as per the label.

Regards,
Don

[martinue]

"MI H87925" is the registration of *775403*. It was used again with JLBarailler/Degene in the 1969 Critérium des Cévennes. *775403* was a regular works entry in the 1972 European Touring Car Championship.

The red 1969 TdC car with JLBarailler/Fayel is shown in the following pic, not knowing VIN nor registration.

[SprintGtVeloce]

Sorry for the late answer, but I had to spend some time organizing my Gta(m) stuff on my computer. As said before, the more we know more doubts come up, and I have many!

Above are the scanned pages of Grace magazine from Feb 2004. This article, written by Gianni Tomazzoni, is about Gtam AR1533246 and it's restauration process. It is written that this car went in Autodelta at March 1971 to be transformed into a Gtam. This car was the first of the last three 105.51 to be transformed. Gianni Tomazzoni wrote also about chassis number AR1533245, he says that this Gtam was also transformed at Autodelta and was delivered to the same company in Angola (Socoína) as the other one, but the trace was lost and the car was probably destroyed in an accident and “cannibalized” after.

As you can see the car still has the original portuguese plates (ST-76-00) and it also has the interesting detail of having the 2000Gtv rear lights. The article states this car as the former angolan AAD-95-18 plate. Beeing true, the rear lights were changed, because it was like this at Angola with Peixinho:



Also at Angola, Jaime Melo raced with a Gtam, but now with the 2000 Gtv rear tail lights:



Unfortunately no plate to confirm if it is the same car or not.

When the car arrived in Portugal by 74 or 75 it raced several times and in 1976 had this set:



In 1979 had this one:



and in the early eighties got this one, here beeing towed to England:



I believe that we are talking about the same car, it only had some paint jobs done and rear lights modification, not bad for a race car. Nice to know though that everyone who saw the races at Angola say securely that Jaime Melo's car was the former Peixinho´s car.

So were's the AR1533245? The car showing the plate AAV-98-96 on the 1970 TAP rallye couldn't be the AR1533245, because it is an European spec 1750 Gtv:





If it was scrapped as people say, although there's no photos of the car, it's easyer to think about Gtas 2000 in Angola.


P.S. In the scanned article the vin numbers are written as 1532346 and 1532345, but should be 1533246 and 1533245, probably a typing error.

[SprintGtVeloce]

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Originally Posted by martinue "MI H87925" is the registration of *775403*. It was used again with JLBarailler/Degene in the 1969 Critérium des Cévennes. *775403* was a regular works entry in the 1972 European Touring Car Championship. The red 1969 TdC car with JLBarailler/Fayel is shown in the following pic, not knowing VIN nor registration. Attachment 166119

[Alleggerita]

I agree that the car shown in the Italian magazine looks like a European hanging pedal chassis rather than a 105.51 standing pedal car ... curious ....

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Originally Posted by SprintGtVeloce [IMG] Sorry for the late answer, but I had to spend some time organizing my Gta(m) stuff on my computer. As said before, the more we know more doubts come up, and I have many! Above are the scanned pages of Grace magazine from Feb 2004. This article, written by Gianni Tomazzoni, is about Gtam AR1533246 and it's restauration process. It is written that this car went in Autodelta at March 1971 to be transformed into a Gtam. This car was the first of the last three 105.51 to be transformed. Gianni Tomazzoni wrote also about chassis number AR1533245, he says that this Gtam was also transformed at Autodelta and was delivered to the same company in Angola (Socoína) as the other one, but the trace was lost and the car was probably destroyed in an accident and “cannibalized” after. As you can see the car still has the original portuguese plates (ST-76-00) and it also has the interesting detail of having the 2000Gtv rear lights. The article states this car as the former angolan AAD-95-18 plate. Beeing true, the rear lights were changed, because it was like this at Angola with Peixinho: I believe that we are talking about the same car, it only had some paint jobs done and rear lights modification, not bad for a race car. Nice to know though that everyone who saw the races at Angola say securely that Jaime Melo's car was the former Peixinho´s car. So were's the AR1533245? The car showing the plate AAV-98-96 on the 1970 TAP rallye couldn't be the AR1533245, because it is an European spec 1750 Gtv: If it was scrapped as people say, although there's no photos of the car, it's easyer to think about Gtas 2000 in Angola. P.S. In the scanned article the vin numbers are written as 1532346 and 1532345, but should be 1533246 and 1533245, probably a typing error.

[SprintGtVeloce]

Did the 71' 105.51 type had standing pedals?! Thought it was like 105.44 after 70', built with hanging style pedals.

But thinking a little bit more and if we pay attention to chassis number, that number means 1968 not 1971... huuumm.

[dbest]

The 1971 105.51 would have had hanging pedals.

Thanks for the great artilces you have scanned.

Don

[Berlinista]

doesnt a 105.51 aways have standing pedaIs as compared to a 105.44?
Or am I confused by a RHD GT1750? Which DOES aIways have standing pedaIs no matter the year? (same for a RHD GTV2000)A 105.51 being a US market FIRST series 1750. If it had hanging pedaIs it woud be a second series, so not a 105.51.
Correct me if I am wrong.
There were some 105.44 GTAm buiIt, these are documented. Of course there are Iater modified GTAms buiIt on 105.44 chassis, but it is documented that AutodeIta buiIt a few on 105.44 bodies.
That the 105.51 body was used was due to homoIogation of the fueI injection. But again, if I am correct, a 105.51 is a first series 1750 . So aIways standing pedaIs. I do not know the nomencIature of a second series US 1750. (105.??)My Fusi is at my shop, so I cannot check!

[papajam]

The USA received only 1969 & 1971 model year 1750s (no 1968 or 1970). The Series 1 1969 cars were standing pedals while the Series 2 1971 cars were hanging pedals. Both Series were assigned the 105.51 type designation.

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Originally Posted by yvesmontreal These serial numbers are interesting... The Fusi tables list production of the 105.51 1750 GTV USA starting in 1968 with s/n 1533201 ; so GTAMs did have their own range of serial numbers, they just didn't have their own type number.

[SprintGtVeloce]

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Originally Posted by papajam The USA received only 1969 & 1971 model year 1750s (no 1968 or 1970). The Series 1 1969 cars were standing pedals while the Series 2 1971 cars were hanging pedals. Both Series were assigned the 105.51 type designation. This is an example where Fusi is incorrect. Series 1 standing pedal cars were assigned chassis numbers 1530001-1532000 (although only 1,232 examples were built). Series 2 hanging pedal cars start with chassis 1532001.

[papajam]

No mystery really about factory fitted tail lights. Series 1 105.51 have the small lights; Series 2 have the large lights.