how much?

fredwinia · #1 (**permalink**) 08-24-2009, 04:12 AM

Hello me and my brother in law own a alfa gta 1600 with all the goodies on it and no missing parts. Someone made an offer on the car and we have an idea what a perfect gta could fetch but not 100% sure.

My brother in law is a well known ferrari specialist and we bought the car from a customer years ago. This car was in my brothers workshop for about 25 years or so for restoration. So the car has been preserved in the workshop for very long time.

My brother does not want me to write down serial numbers etc on this webpage. So i will not do so.

I saw a few gta's on the internet but most of them are "restored" racingcars with lots of parts missing. Our car has it all the carbs the magn bellhouse original interior you name it.

We do not have to sell it but maybe for the right price. Can someone shed some light over this?

Veep · #2 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 05:31 AM

since history of the car cam make a big difference in the value (looking at the other cars your family should know that..) this question is not to answer without the numbers, in my opinion. Next to that, it seems to me that someone in the business has other ways to get a value on the car? and value is relative in this disturbed economy I think.
So I say: what a serious buyer will give you for it ...
Cash is king these days, but if you don`t have to sell, I say keep it at least for the time being.

fredwinia · #3 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 05:47 AM

Me and my brother are more ferrari people. How to say this car in his workshop for years because in the early days he did also other cars then ferrari. But for some cars it is kinda difficult to say what it is worth because there is just a little market. I found just one gta for sale on the internet. And one just sold. My brother is too busy to find out really. Just one of his customers all of a sudden wants to buy the car and because it is also my car he asked me about the price if i think it is ok? So that is why i checked it a bit. We are not trading cars. It is a workshop and a place where they make parts for classic cars ferrari's. Will give you his webpage but please send him a mail if you want to know something before he gets angry with me because i put his webpage on the internet : ). Roelofs Engineering - Index Roelofs Parts - Home.

regards

Fred

GTV-GR · #4 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 01:20 PM

don't sell the car

**lowmileage** · #5 (**permalink**) 08-25-2009, 01:54 PM

^^. I agree with the above. These old cars are nothing but trouble. I will PM you with my address. Please put valuable GTA in sealed container and ship it to me. Leave me with the headaches to properly keep it running

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Veep · #6 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 12:11 AM

ahh but Piet has more connections which also trade ALfa and have connections internationally.

Federico · #7 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 01:18 AM

Fredwinia stop teasing me!
I don't think I should bring a trailer and trade the GTA for my stepfront...
Piet is smart enough to know how much your GTA is worth

**bshorey** · #8 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fredwinia

Me and my brother are more ferrari people. How to say this car in his workshop for years because in the early days he did also other cars then ferrari. But for some cars it is kinda difficult to say what it is worth because there is just a little market. I found just one gta for sale on the internet. And one just sold. My brother is too busy to find out really. Just one of his customers all of a sudden wants to buy the car and because it is also my car he asked me about the price if i think it is ok? So that is why i checked it a bit. We are not trading cars. It is a workshop and a place where they make parts for classic cars ferrari's. Will give you his webpage but please send him a mail if you want to know something before he gets angry with me because i put his webpage on the internet : ). Roelofs Engineering - Index Roelofs Parts - Home.

regards

Fred

**CanAmBob** · #9 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bshorey

Sorry, I had to respond, I got a chuckle over your comment about your brother getting mad for putting his web page on the internet. Where else would a web page go? Wouldn't it already be on the internet?

Anyhow, for a GTA in good condition, known history, no nonsense, I would guess $80,000 is a good starting point, and you would go up or down from there, depending on many things. As another poster mentioned, the value of this car depends as much, or more, on the history as it does on the condition.

Sports Car Market Letter is a good place to go for market values, they publish a price guide on a regular basis.

My .02,

bs

GTV-GR · #10 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 12:49 PM

lowmileage u crank me up man

**Super1600** · #11 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 04:10 PM

Just to add a small clarification to the comments being made here, and I am not in general wanting to disagree with those who have first hand experience with GTAs (ie. CanAmbob for one), but I would have thought that the price for a fully original GTA might also depend a little on whether it was a 1300 or 1600. Of the two GTA's I have seen for sale in the past couple of years here in Australia, the price varied between approx $100K to -150K (AUD). So I guess another aspect is which country the car is in.

IMO, the price that a car might command is not only governed by its condition but as well its governance (that is whether raced with history or never raced.) For some buyers might actually pay a premium for a GTA that has significant and successful race history over a car that has never seen the track. From my observations over the years this is certainly true for most of the major makes we may all like (from Ferrari to Ford). Therefore and taking into mind the current economic conditions, $80K USD might actually not be such a bad starting point for a non raced car, even if unmolested.

The other way to find out is to put it up for sale via one of the top auction houses likes Christies etc.

**CanAmBob** · #12 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Super1600

Just to add a small clarification to the comments being made here, and I am not in general wanting to disagree with those who have first hand experience with GTAs (ie. CanAmbob for one), but I would have thought that the price for a fully original GTA might also depend a little on whether it was a 1300 or 1600. Of the two GTA's I have seen for sale in the past couple of years here in Australia, the price varied between approx $100K to -150K (AUD). So I guess another aspect is which country the car is in.

IMO, the price that a car might command is not only governed by its condition but as well its governance (that is whether raced with history or never raced.) For some buyers might actually pay a premium for a GTA that has significant and successful race history over a car that has never seen the track. From my observations over the years this is certainly true for most of the major makes we may all like (from Ferrari to Ford). Therefore and taking into mind the current economic conditions, $80K USD might actually not be such a bad starting point for a non raced car, even if unmolested.

The other way to find out is to put it up for sale via one of the top auction houses likes Christies etc.

**Super1600** · #13 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 05:27 PM

Cheers Bob

As I mentioned I was well aware of your more significant knowledge of these cars, including values.

I merely wanted to clarify a couple of points plus I guess make some observations of values as I have seen over the past couple of years. For instance a GTA 1300 jnr sold here in Aus for I think around the $120K mark in nice condition. However, I don't know the specifics of this car.

I do agree though that $80K does seem relatively cheap and that if one were offered at this price it undoubtedly would be snapped up very quickly.

I guess perhaps another thing that Fred could to do to try to establish the value of his shared car might be to get in touch with Max/Richard Banks at Alfaholics, for I would have thought they could give some sound advice. Dave

alfa-sport · #14 (**permalink**) 08-26-2009, 06:11 PM

Here you have asking prices of $190K for a GTA and $120K for a GTAJr; note these are in Europe.

Alfa Romeo for sale at carclassic.com

Peter

**Berlinista** · #15 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 10:46 AM

Well, I'd say roughly €80K for an unknown no-history stradale with work to do for starters.
Then, add up eventual history, genuine Corsa parts, originality, then detract missing GTA 1600 parts, taking into account not only price but availability. Check engine number very carefully, whether original head or repro, ignition et al. Genuine Campagnolo wheels or aftermarket? etc etc. Also the dozens of minimal differences between a GTA 1600 and an early Sprint GT. Check, check, check...
Not so hard, although not easy in current market. I hope this is an unrestored and unmolested car. What documentation comes with the car if I may ask? Sales invoice, manual, etc?