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Seinista · #16 (**permalink**) 12-22-2007, 10:35 AM

Maybe so, but I still don't think anyone with a current Allegerrita will sell, in order to replace with the new one.
My Fusi is outdated, and the book has known errors, but I still ain't selling it...

Zagato_Olaf · #17 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elderly

I don't know about car reference books but in another (collectors) field that I do know about, whenever a much in demand out of print reference volume is updated and re-printed, the value of the original edition has taken a hit.
In fact there are one or two examples of where the value of the 'original' edition falls below that of subsequent more useful updated editions.

South Africa · #18 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 10:32 AM

Dear all,

There appears to be some interest in revising the book Alleggerita as discussed on this Bulletin Board.

Well the prospect of a revised/new version of Alleggerita is of interest to myself and others, I am sure.

I own copy number 1806 and this book has been very well used as a reference source.

I have been collecting GTA/GTAm items for over 20 years and, am of the opinion that, I could contribute to revisions and corrections to this publication. In particular, a large amount of the GTA/GTAm history of these cars in Southern Africa is not covered in the above publication. Some years ago I sent some material to Tony Adriaensens for possible inclusion in a revised version of his book Alleggerita. I never received a reply from him.

I have been involved with Alfa Romeos, as a hobby, for over 30 years and my experience is that there appears to be a spectrum of 'Alfa Lovers'. On the one end of the spectrum we find the person that goes 'out of their way' to help get a historically important car completed for the 'love' of the task to the other end of the spectrum where the person will 'spin' very elaborate stories to get some parts from you so that they can 'sell them on' at high prices.

I have sold GTA/GTAm parts which were surplus to my project to people in Canada, England and elsewhere - including Alfaholics and Classic Alfa.

My experiences appear to indicate that people in South Africa, with whom I had dealings, were more generous than the Alfa community worldwide which I have dealt with over the internet over the past 5 years.

At this point in time I would only contribute material to Tony Adriaensens for 'reward' i.e. not prepared to ship 'things' around the world for nothing anymore.

Seinista · #19 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 01:27 PM

Quite. For one, no one has asked. For two, why post that twice? On another topic as well.
For three, I myself know that I have been very generous to Alfisti all over the world. Donated parts to restorations. Given time and assistance in many ways. And on occasion been let down in a very, very large way by people on this forum too.
Shall I let everyone else suffer because of one or two rotten apples?
Shall I have my mood spoilt because of others?
I think not....
I will continue to give help where I can, to donate parts, of which I have very many, to those who need them more than I do.
Those who can afford to pay, pay.
But I have had people on the Dutch forum , no cash, no money, students, one kid who had nothing but his granddads Giulia he inherited. Car rotten, needed lots of work.
I had no money once. And no one helped me in my passion, my hobby.
Helping people is much more fun.
And sometimes it may cost me some money, or some of my valuable time. So what. Helping an Alfista out always gives me a good feeling.
OTOH, if you give parts or info to someone you know is going to profit commercially, you should of course make an agreement.That seems to speak for itself. If you don't, only you are to blame.

Pat Braden · #20 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elderly

I don't know about car reference books but in another (collectors) field that I do know about, whenever a much in demand out of print reference volume is updated and re-printed, the value of the original edition has taken a hit.
In fact there are one or two examples of where the value of the 'original' edition falls below that of subsequent more useful updated editions.

gtaj · #21 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 08:17 PM

i happen to know that the original author, although obviously interested in making a profit, researched and put together allegerrita out of enthusiasm and interest in the cars. how to value all of the time and money spent traveling, searching for information, talking on the phone, etc.? though considered expensive when it was published, i don't believe that much if any profit was realized. no way did tony expect the prices to go up as they have, otherwise he surely would have saved several dozen copies under the bed to sell one day and finance his retirement.
to those interested only in profit, i say good luck. what goes around comes around. i wouldn't be so sure that a second edition is forthcoming - all of the stars need to be aligned i'm sure for that to happen. all of the experts now lining up to "contribute" or in other words get their names published is somewhat amusing. where were they all a decade ago when the call went out especially for u.s. trans am related materials? it seems some are just interested in hoarding information themselves in order to build some kind of rep as an authority. its tiring really.....

Pat Braden · #22 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gtaj

...it seems some are just interested in hoarding information themselves in order to build some kind of rep as an authority. its tiring really.....

gtaj · #23 (**permalink**) 12-23-2007, 10:09 PM

no not a reference to you in any way. Just an observation seen many times over the years. Some are very interested in their own position or perception as an expert usually tied to a financial motive. merry Christmas

joeyskates · #24 (**permalink**) 01-02-2008, 09:10 PM

I guess we'll see about first edition vs new edition, supply vs demand and all that.

eBay Motors: Alleggerita Tony Adriaensens Alfa Romeo Book New Sealed (item 140195227263 end time Jan-09-08 15:47:00 PST)

Seinista · #25 (**permalink**) 01-04-2008, 01:38 PM

Yikes!!!

should I put mine in a safe?

Giulia Bianca · #26 (**permalink**) 01-04-2008, 02:32 PM

I still have 2 copies, sealed and never opened, I'M RICH !!!!

**hagen111** · #27 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 02:34 PM

I have noticed there are so many people on this forum who have multiple new and sealed copies of Alleggerita in their possesion.

I love my copy - not sealed as I read it - and am thinking about all those other Alfisti who would love to own and READ a copy of Alleggerita. Why would you keep sealed additional copies and withold them from other passionate GTA fans - what is the motive? Greed?

I would give away any sealed additional copy I would own to a good friend, because I know he would love the book and I know he would read it!

Therefore - I own the Alleggerita.com domain and am willing to trade for a copy (unsealed) of the Alleggerita book for www.alleggerita.com - of which is only one available! The book I will donate to a friend! for Free...as this is what live in general and more specifically passion for Alfa's is all about!

Giulia Bianca · #28 (**permalink**) 01-07-2008, 03:07 PM

A good friend helped Tony with this book, at the time it was finished I ordered 5 copies
so sell to other enthousiasts for the same amount as I payed for, but at that time I found it very difficult to sell a 185 gulden book so I ended up with 2 extra copies
Now the value of this book is rising to insane amounts of money I should give it away to someone for free ??, don't think so, you can call it greed, I call it good fortune !