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GTAm
I am really considering of building a GTAm replica which will be used for historic racing either in 1750 form or 2000 form.
So far I have traced two cars an early 105.44 1750 (not my own) and a 105.21 2000 I have also the source for 2 fiberglass doors fiberglass front hood and fiberglass boot lid the same supplier can provide the four fiberglass wheelarch extensions.
At this moment I am trying to establish a budget for my replica.
Does anybody in BB can help? or have any experience of such a project? any sources for racing parts?
Thanks in advance Takis.
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04-15-2004, 12:58 AM
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Takis, why not buy this It looks nice at only 22.500 euro.
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04-15-2004, 01:19 AM
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Yes in all seriousness it is always cheaper to buy an already built up car. May not be as much fun, but if done right you end up with a cheaper car.
Building a race car from scratch costs a fortune (been there done that) and you never get your money back ... unless you consider all the racing fun part of the pay back, I always do
If I ever do it again I will be starting with a bare shell ... and going from there!
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04-15-2004, 11:31 AM
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Thank you Jorgen and Pete,I understand that building such a project is not cheap I also believe in my own ability to work on the body and mechanicals,the cost as I see it for the moment is going to be the purchase of parts needed for the project.
Meanwhile this is what I am dreaming about......
Takis.
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04-15-2004, 04:48 PM
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It's a good dream ...
Pete
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04-16-2004, 04:20 AM
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Takis, why not buy this It looks nice at only 22.500 euro.
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nice car, but I think that a "gtam replica" on the body of a stepnose GTV 1600 looks not correct...
I agree with Takis about his dream!!!
ciao
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04-16-2004, 05:24 PM
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I like either way. Like Takis, I'm going to build one- and it will look very similar in concept to the red one above.
Mine's starting as a '67 Jr.
The crazy dream part for my car will be a mechanically injected 2.0l with a TS head. That will be an adventure!
Good luck, and I'll also keep this board posted of my progress. It WILL be slow...
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04-18-2004, 05:52 PM
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Many genuine GTA's ended up with the wide flared arches too, thus it is not incorrect for a GTA replica to have the flares ... it just would not be a GTAm replica.
There is a photo on this site of a genuine 1300 (?) GTA wearing the flares ...
Pete
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04-18-2004, 10:54 PM
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Here is a factory photo from 1970 showing side by side a GTAm and a GTA 1300 Junior......
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04-19-2004, 12:48 AM
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And whats your point, Takis? That the GTAm flares are wider? I think not.
I believe, the only fault with the "GTAm" replica for sale at mobile.de is that its called GTAm - it should be called a GTA 1300 replica - and would be very correct as such, apart from aluminum body panels, engine, etc, etc, etc.
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04-19-2004, 01:47 AM
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And whats your point, Takis? That the GTAm flares are wider? I think not.
I believe, the only fault with the "GTAm" replica for sale at mobile.de is that its called GTAm - it should be called a GTA 1300 replica - and would be very correct as such, apart from aluminum body panels, engine, etc, etc, etc.
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This was the meaning of my post. A GTAM must not have a stepnose front, while the car for sale on mobile de has that front. Better call it GTA 1600 replica (outside: I didn't see any twin spark head, etc etc) or "GT Veloce wide arches".
I agree with Psk, it's true that a lot of GTA and GTA junior ended up with larger flares, while GTAM were born with wide flares arches.
Ciao
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04-19-2004, 04:20 AM
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GTA 1300 Juniors were given wide arches like GTAm from 1970 on and this was Autodelta racing cars not privateers who just wanted bigger arches.
Jorgen I searched the car through the site you gave it seems like a nicely prepared for racing Giulia Sprint GT Veloce which looks like GTA 1300 Junior.
What I have in mind is really a GTAm replica based on 105.44 or 105.21 chassis or even better 105.51 chassis (if I could find one) if you have read the book GTA by Maurizio Tabucchi or the book Allegerita by Tony Adriaensens you could see that most of the GTAms were 105.51 chassis very few (4 or 5) were 105.44 and none 105.21.
The GTAm was homologated on the US version 1750 105.51 with Spica fuel injection and I have also gathered that in that era you could not just enter an Alfa Romeo dealer and buy a GTAm,what happened was that you bought a 105.51 1750 GT Veloce US version and then send it to Autodelta who transformed her into GTAm full racing machine.
I base this opinion on the fact that inside the book Guida all`identificazione Alfa Romeo by Maurizio Tabucchi there is reference about the GTA 1600 the GTA 1300 Junior even the 33 prototypes and the TZ1-TZ2 but no reference on the GTAm.
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04-19-2004, 05:10 AM
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was that you bought a 105.51 1750 GT Veloce US version and then send it to Autodelta who transformed her into GTAm full racing machine.
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Not quite, all the parts needed do built the GTAm were sold as optional for the car (American 1750 GTV), except for the engine and the rear GTA de-dion type suspension, witch was never sold.
The fact that the GTAm never had its own chassis code like the GTA had, explains that they cannot be identified easily.
In fact there were GTAm built by Autodelta with European 1750 GTV chassis, and raced as factory or privateers.
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Takis,
Obviously among the first things you will do is to make sure the vintage organization(s) you will be dealing with allow replicas. I'm sure you've done this, but want to make sure you have no surprises once you have created this noble beast.
Which engine/head/gearbox/differential will you be using?
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I was thinking of using a 00512 block and crankshaft with TS cylinder from the 75 series which actually is a copy of the geniune GTAm cylinder head.
Standard gearbox and LSD 4,1 or 4,3 differential uprated to 47.5% lock.
I have traced GTAm pistons Colotti straight cut gearbox and Colotti differential but they are not cheap,I was also thinking of using a Panhard rod for the rear axle which is simple and easy to build and of course I have checked with the racing authorities.
Takis.
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