LPG convertion

[mrbram77]

I am thinking about converting my gt junior to LPG since petrol over here is more expensive then gold. I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but has anyone ever done this themselfs? Bc i can get my hands on the kit but need some direction in putting it in drawings, settings ed

thanks a lot

[PietereQ]

Why in Gods name?? Alfa and LPG??? Gt junior and LPG!??? Are we talking about vintage classic car and low matienence costs at the same time???
Carbs and LPG... well if you wanna have problems why not (explosions into the intake, huge power losses, and foul smell, cold/hot start problems for starters.). From all people whom I know and have this crap , no one told me that this is no-problem modification. Sooner or later there are ALWAYS PROBLEMS
If you're low on cash here are my sugestions:
- buy a cheap diesel/ or any super cheap car to transport you form A to B
- use public transportation (that's what i do)
- drive a bike
Sorry for my reaction but I live in the country (2nd number of the cars converted into LPG in the world ) struck with the disease called LPG. And with tens of thousands retards buying cars with large capacity engines and then poisoning them with lpg (alfa v6 too of course)
Think about it again m8, you re not doing the right thing.
Regards,
Pete

[mrbram77]

I have a 156 and a 147 on lpg and have had several alfa's on lpg before carb and injection and never had any serious problems. I know the nord engines run fine on lpg (my own experiance). Why are you so against lpg?? do you have any cars running on lpg??

DO you know that there where gtv's in the 70's being build with lpg striaght out of the factory???

Well anyway i dont' want to get in anargument i'm just looking for some technical instalation drawings

thanks for your oppinion

[alfazagato]

With respect, you are in the wrong thread here and asking the wrong people. GTAs are about going quickly, wonderful handling and with rather less regard for economy.
However, I am sure someone in the conversions thread may well be able to assist. Good luck!

[AllthingsZagato]

I suspect without fuel injection it is a non starter, could be wrong though.

[rogerspeed]

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Originally Posted by mrbram77 I am thinking about converting my gt junior to LPG since petrol over here is more expensive then gold. I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but has anyone ever done this themselfs? Bc i can get my hands on the kit but need some direction in putting it in drawings, settings ed thanks a lot

[GTV-GR]

are you loco?

[Peter]

I have driven Alfa's with LPG before, when I lived in Holland back in the days, and I had Alfa company cars. Although it was never my preference, it was never a big issue either, carburettors or injecton....some minor issues, some power loss, and this big bulky tank in the back. It is also pretty easy to convert back, if you can keep the filler inside the trunk so you don't have to cut into your bodywork....not sure if that's allowed these days.....and if I remember correctly, all installations have to be tested and certified by RDW (like DOT)

[GoldCloverLeaf]

A new Alfa... sure i guess?

But a classic Alfa?

Hmmmm

Buy a cheap W123 diesel Merc and run it on vegetable oil and keep the junior for weekend drives.

[beatle_bayly]

Geez Fellas,

a guy asks a valid question and sounds like he wants to KEEP HIS ALFA. Have you thought he may not want a diesel Merc ? Maybe his garage isn't big enough.

We can't all afford a stable of pristine rare Alfas and some people struggle to keep even one in the garage. Are they more deserving owners than those of better means ????? Maybe so. If you guys are so concerned, offer him good money for his Jnr and buy him a diesel Golf.

LPG shouldn't be a problem at all if it's done right. In fact the best way would be to remove the carbs altogether and fit a dedicated LPG carburettor. With gas you don't need to get all anal about inlet tracts etc because the 'fuel' is already vapourised...unlike petrol. LPG can actually make the induction system a lot less complicated.. Dedicated LPG as opposed to dual-fuel would also mean you could remove the petrol tank and fit the LPG tank in its place, so no loss of boot volume. Most countries, rightfully, entrust this work to qualified gas technicians so MRBRAM77 needs to check with local authorities.

Most of the worlds auto LPG component manufacturers are Italian so the link is there. Fuel injection or carbs make no difference. The LPG simply requires a butterfly of some sort.


If I had an 8C2900 that was on LPG for the past 40 years, does anyone seriously think it would be worth less money today ? I put regular unleaded in my Super occasionally , does that make me a wanker ?

BTW, LPG is a lot more environmentally friendly than petrol and would see all those California Alfas pass the emissions testing.

Alfazagato: Who mentioned a GTA ?

[super1750]

Another alternative that wouldn't be nearly as expensive or complicated would be converting to the single solex 32 as found on the giulia 1300 ti, you loose 3 to 5 hp but make a big gain on fuel consumption. There is a complete set up (carb, manifold and linkage) that is new or rebuilt (manifold new, carb rebuilt) on ebay.de right now for under 300 Euro (no connection to me) and you certainly won't come anywhere near running LPG for that money - won't get the savings though.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Solexvergaser-fue...QQcmdZViewItem
or
http://cgi.ebay.de/Alfa-Romeo-Typ-10...QQcmdZViewItem

I contemplated doing the same conversion on a giulia super, started with pondering LPG, then pondered on the single carb set up and ended up building a modified 1750 for the car. Now I have to move to Canada so that I can afford fuel!
regards
Bob

[alfazagato]

Baetle Bayly,
Its a GTA thread and I thought that the question would be much better answered by the conversion boys. However in the UK with our astronomic fuel prices LPG still make no sense financially.

[beatle_bayly]

Many apologies. Was having a bad night.

Fuel in and around Melbourne, Australia at the moment:

ULP: $1.29 up
PULP: $1.36 upward
Super PULP: $1.42 up Aussie dollar prices per litre.

Diesel averages around 1-4cpl more than ULP

LPG: $0.43- $0.56.

The cost differences between LPG and the others is purely down to different taxation regimes. Pretty hard to argue with the price of LPG though. Recently the Federal Government also announced a rebate on the fitting costs of LPG. Can almost pay 100% of the installation costs !!! LPG is also rather widely available in Australia too so no real issues there.

[4C2Litre]

This is definitely an interesting and relevant thread. I'm interested in both saving money w/LPG and having a cleaner burning exhaust. I'm sure my 69 Chevy will benefit, but the AR i drive is a different story. It's now in a Canadian province so I can register it there as they (currently) have a less drastic smog program. The Chev w/350CID wouldn't have too much prob with less output w/LPG since it has such a large engine. However, with the AR, I will be hard pressed to find a tank to fit correctly as it's a Spider. (The previous owner upgraded the car adding carbs and deleting the smog equipment.) However, the Spider recently returned 32.6MPG (40 MPG Imperial) on a recent trip and is altogether too much fun not to drive. I really want to be environmentally friendly whilst driving a fantastic car...

Anymore info from Dutch and Aussie friends (amongst others) much appreciated.

g

[jensputzier]

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Originally Posted by mrbram77 I am thinking about converting my gt junior to LPG since petrol over here is more expensive then gold. I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but has anyone ever done this themselfs? Bc i can get my hands on the kit but need some direction in putting it in drawings, settings ed thanks a lot